X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp0.av-mx.com ([137.118.16.56] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6085090 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:10:22 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=137.118.16.56; envelope-from=res12@fairpoint.net Received: from MAIN (unknown [66.243.229.138]) (Authenticated sender: res12@fairpoint.net) by smtp0.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276371C1191 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:09:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Richard Sohn" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: O2 Sensor data, Steve B. Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 13:09:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01CE1422.8B04BC30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01CE1422.8B04BC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am aware of some of the problems with the Elison TB. As far as I know, = Elison did not use a pressure regulator, which is what Rotec added. They = also realized the mixture range problem, and added the reference = pressure probe to the pressure regulator. That is what I am now at, = finding the best location to pick up this reference pressure.=20 Richard Sohn N2071U http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html From: Ed Anderson=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:04 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: O2 Sensor data, Steve B. Richard, regarding the Ellison TB I have a friend who tried an Ellison on his rotary - never could get the = low end and high end to work together. It appeared that (at least for = the size Ellison he was using) that the range of airflow quantity below = idle and WOT was outside the range of the size Ellison he was using. If = he got the idle set right, he ran out of fuel on the top end. If he got = the top end running right, the idle was too rich. His engine eventually quit in flight, airframe was destroyed - he = fortunately escaped injury. Just thought I would pass it on for what = its worth. Most O2 heater voltages are 12 -13 Volts - but, not certain about the = Renesis O2. Sensor output for narrow band is generally from 0 -1 volt, Wide band = from 0 -5 volts. Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com From: Richard Sohn=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:27 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: O2 Sensor data, Steve B. I am planing to use an O2 sensor from a 2009 Renesis on my test engine. = Does anyone know what the heater supply is? I am measureing 2.4Ohm, = cold. Probably 5V? The connection is coming out of the ECU.=20 Would appreciate any info on that. Still having issues with the mixture setting on the Rotec TBI (Ellison). = No real flying yet, just a lot of crow-hopping down the runway. Richard Sohn N2071U http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html From: hoursaway1@comcast.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:32 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: O2 Sensor data, Steve B. Forgot to say, under diog. for RX8 they call both sensors HO2 not AF. = ??? David. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: hoursaway1@comcast.net To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:29:12 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] O2 Sensor data, Steve B. Steve, another update on O2 sensor data,,, for a 2007 RX8 frnt. HO2 = sensor is read in mil. Amps,,, 1.0 mil. amp is center point under accell = is looking for decrease, under deccell looking for increase, did not = give min.-max. for the high & low that I think could have been useful. = David. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: "Steven W. Boese" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:50:49 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets & progress David, Do you remember ballpark values for the amps and volts? Thanks, Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf = of hoursaway1@comcast.net [hoursaway1@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:19 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets & progress Steve, I'm not sure why but when diog. the other day on 07 Mazda 3 for a = code P2188, Snap-on scanner shows me amps for pre cat. AF sensor & = volts for post cat. O2 sensor & that is how they describe them in = Mitchel Automotive diog. text. Hope this helps in some way. David R. = Cook RV6A Rotary. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- No virus found in this message. 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I am aware of some of the problems with the Elison TB. As far as I = know,=20 Elison did not use a pressure regulator, which is what Rotec added. They = also=20 realized the mixture range problem, and added the reference pressure = probe to=20 the pressure regulator. That is what I am now at, finding the best = location to=20 pick up this reference pressure.
 
Richard=20 Sohn
N2071U

http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:04 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: O2 Sensor data, Steve = B.
 
Richard, regarding the  Ellison = TB
 
I have a friend who tried an Ellison on his = rotary - never=20 could get the low end and high end to work together.  It appeared = that (at=20 least for the size Ellison he was using) that the range of airflow = quantity=20 below idle and WOT was outside the range of the size Ellison he was = using. =20 If he got the idle set right, he ran out of fuel on the top end.  = If he got=20 the top end running right, the idle was too rich.
 
His engine eventually quit in flight, airframe = was=20 destroyed - he fortunately escaped injury.  Just thought I would = pass it on=20 for what its worth.
 
Most O2 heater voltages are 12 -13 Volts - but, = not=20 certain about the Renesis O2.
Sensor output for narrow band is generally  = from 0 -1=20 volt, Wide band from 0 -5 volts.
 
Ed
 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic = Enterprises=20 LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com
 
From: Richard Sohn
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: O2 Sensor data, Steve = B.
 
I am planing to use an O2 sensor from a 2009 Renesis on my test = engine.=20 Does anyone know what the heater supply is? I am measureing 2.4Ohm, = cold.=20 Probably 5V? The connection is coming out of the ECU.
Would appreciate any info on that.
Still having issues with the mixture setting on the Rotec TBI = (Ellison). No=20 real flying yet, just a lot of crow-hopping down the runway.
 
Richard=20 Sohn
N2071U

http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html
 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: O2 Sensor data, Steve = B.
 
Forgot to say,=20 under diog. for RX8 they call both sensors HO2 not AF.  ??? =20 David.

From: hoursaway1@comcast.net
To: "Rotary motors in = aircraft"=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February = 26, 2013=20 9:29:12 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] O2 Sensor data,  Steve = B.

Steve, another=20 update on O2 sensor data,,, for a 2007 RX8 frnt. HO2 sensor is read in = mil.=20 Amps,,, 1.0 mil. amp is center point under accell is looking for = decrease, =20 under deccell looking for increase,  did not give min.-max. for the = high=20 & low that I think could have been useful.  David.

From: "Steven W. Boese" <SBoese@uwyo.edu>
To: = "Rotary=20 motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Monday,=20 February 11, 2013 9:50:49 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets = &=20 progress

David,

 

Do you remember ballpark values for the amps and volts?

 

Thanks,

 

Steve

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 on behalf of hoursaway1@comcast.net = [hoursaway1@comcast.net]
Sent:=20 Monday, February 11, 2013 7:19 PM
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets &=20 progress

Steve, I'm not=20 sure why but when diog. the other day on 07 Mazda 3 for a code = P2188, =20 Snap-on scanner shows me amps for pre cat. AF sensor & volts for = post cat.=20 O2 sensor & that is how they describe them in Mitchel Automotive = diog.=20 text.  Hope this helps in some way.  David R. Cook  RV6A=20 Rotary.

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