X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm38-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.217.60] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6068950 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:47:19 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.136.217.60; envelope-from=echristley@att.net Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm38.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 23:46:45 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.205] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 23:46:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2013 23:46:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1361144805; bh=676pPte4hvfLRkIcuFtOlxmGGRfAIqr8fOcTzy25pkM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=wwKafS36p9l4zIg+ljb/e18PaSXCKU+a+w2tzH0hPAvQLklZW86e/xhK1iwtNStY4Ihdlc3CyQfVm0oo7hC+TASp/3BR5agkqu2CULz27oIS0ZGAsNfjvIqxksXFBjsGhQKhxU8rfLtQWBhmhZmj2/S2fLIvR7YCwPqb1PYqZpw= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 810927.72261.bm@smtp216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 20XwY2MVM1kA2lX6jzOiUDB.tV.V.XU2oGSG8KL3RMHDvAW _gVJyLeXbcrx28yKmgM2H_VUZ1.uCMGIMAQz5.Zzt6zgSREVGSQbiF2mrP3x L7yOFVSecabQ3qaShOPahCWx74Bt7GKvh1.7.emipX4jfKzg3yDzlWVBhcxA FCfDlnMY_e32YDVcgTquqoydrdeYGDQb6wkA5ZiVqv_sqMUo8uqMahmRSg5. 0.pbrTOLglkFEIxzehUgXcPHoOh1ygHm4qo0QHIy_0s0TxM_t74dL76k3HjM j9u0p.WUgKQ2WgpPfEl4XLwcrt2IBXJIOtsVk5XMW7_ZI.F0c7Jc6O_MEMcX ppFV8eBS7aYSV1c5GAr2vT4bAuJ_F42O7c_6cY.zmEk4JHfmPxMOAdcv.GcC jiOCM_44CuSDtdtMxOH4vTvNtov324WZk.OV5nCcxXDQEb20FSd2zTbUeqGY vm4mojnzBGNtgP.wKHka2pfrDXLkxJPnyE37Jc_9R7CPoobsl.CSiJX1wzzz _o9SJuxyY8iNw5uTLYJqbVXuC5ZsDmPadzOWql84vYZDAg.uJOnj9EwhkTFM A5Sk3bZ2PQp2MoZYWeifDHlZRR3AwlJQXugOTUQhSjIDIewz5.i87gcIK5rt Dnj2P_8ORq38D1Gta7UQL1T73BP5xz5cxguzRZMDKNRpJrYlb4LNZRveAd_M egRSp80KANd3LijxW4PpquwU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- Received: from [192.168.1.14] (echristley@174.97.249.0 with plain) by smtp216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2013 15:46:45 -0800 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Intake progress From: Ernest Christley In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:46:44 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <91770BBB-E25E-470B-93A9-944C3439068D@att.net> References: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) I'm not sure the diameter is exactly right, but opening up the inside of = a roller blade wheel on a lathe should give you what you want. Slide it = on the end of the tube, match drill 4 holes, and pop some rivets. If the throat of your lathe is large enough, you could also chuck the = tube, and spin the flange onto it. 3:30 into this video for the idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS0HGAfVJMcg On Feb 17, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Charlie England wrote: >=20 > Now that everyone's awake again, I thought I'd send a pic of my intake = progress (RV-7 Renesis with James Lyc cowl). I played with a couple of = different materials for the bell mouths. I tried gluing up some 1/4" = plexi from an old windshield, but used super glue instead of proper = plexi cement (which I wasn't able to find locally in a hurry). The 1st = try popped apart on the lathe; the 2nd turned out ok. Next effort was = with 3/4" MDF (medium density fiberboard). That went well, until I put a = little too much side pressure on the ring (homemade cutting tool) after = undercutting the center section. Overall tube lengths will be ~11 3/4" = block surface to bell ends. The plenum is *much* bigger than most tuning = sites recommend. I figure that I can experiment with plenum size by just = stuffing it with rigid foam to take up some volume, if needed. Going the = other way wouldn't be so easy. :-) >=20 > Since I don't have Mark's TIG skills, I thought I'd ask what others = have used in joining thin wall tubing to 1/4" aluminum plate. Aluminum = brazing rod? High temp epoxy? JB weld? I do intend to add bracing from = the plate to the plenum assembly to take some of the cantilever & = vibration stress off the tubes. >=20 > I'm using this length and concept because Tracy has had great luck = with both HP & BSFC on his Renesis with a similar configuration. = However, I'm curious about how others have adapted the common Helmholtz = intake tuning formulas to the rotary. Would anyone care to 'show their = (math) work'? Renesis users would be better for me, but any calcs would = do. When I tried to adapt the common formulas to a rotary, I was getting = 'interesting' results, so I'd like to know if I got lost somewhere while = trying to plug rotary 'valve' timing into the formulas. >=20 > Charlie > (Sorry for the sideways iphone pic; I guess you can pretend that = you're looking down on it...) > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html