X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com ([209.85.220.47] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6024708 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:39:30 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.47; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fa10so4377830pad.20 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:38:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ma3LWzQ2XkOZYJrmkkajGx2a8HIxWczgtOpzQ3r1Rv8=; b=tpOnu+K56p1HzzpzdYsURzi1ej2cxcd5diAYS7HYxqb81UMDR9JACoaTFH4ZiZ21Ue WEG2BMSsxEw0v1UcjvWQVh6m5a52sxWk/oHr8XaWN0/LG0Vr2d8+2dOKEK8Dwkne2AzT M0iB8E3wIWzWLLA8Jr88cbPqQR5iCJFyNYDPg/7uZMjheDwIHefheY5Rq85v2cBCrESQ hELlzKUrliglmGStkIwXKUvA6vtZy0K9y58beJbxS/uicV3fMEyBPeZQ11i4OJ7N0kZ7 hSHNVpC2z24rVFMFbVzBtt/4sKnIc66+ZfzjN4N+Qx+qMO6MDQ8yPzMCmXKDWycdsKFQ zRjA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.219.67 with SMTP id pm3mr44756217pbc.150.1358901536537; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.72.100 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:38:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:38:56 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Here is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2eda8b5ebaab04d3e9eb58 --047d7b2eda8b5ebaab04d3e9eb58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Something I didn't see discussed is the spacing between the two starter mounting holes. I copied someone else on this and cut one of the ears off and drilled a new hole that matched up with an existing bell housing bolt. It's a simple solution to the problem of how to locate the starter mounting holes. Mark S. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Ed Anderson wro= te: > ** **************************** > Well, Bill, my view is anything you can do on the ground to make things > better in the air is well worth a bit of hacking and filing. {:>). Yes, = I > got pretty proficient at making certain parts over and over and over, so > can relate. > > IF you can use template or jig to locate the non- pivoiting mounting hol= e > for your starter - the rest is not as critical. I make one hole a slot s= o > I could make final adjustments it worked fine. I then used a larger star > washer over the slotted bolt to make sure it grabbed the plate adequately= - > you don't want the starter slipping around. > > Good luck > > Ed > > *From:* Bill Bradburry > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:27 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Here is how I moved the starter position was : > [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side > > Ed, I don=92t yet have nicer tools! I built the entire engine install > with a hacksaw and a file! I think I also used a small hatchet on > occasion! Sometimes I would try and make a part out of SS and it would > take me a week! While that might seem like a long time, if I only had to > build a part one time and it would work, it would not have taken me 7 yea= rs > to get the damn thing in the air! :>)**** > > ** ** > > Now I am thinking about changing not just a part, but the whole damn > engine install! How nuts is that?!**** > > ** ** > > Bill B**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* **Rotary motors in aircraft** [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net= ] > *On Behalf Of *Ed Anderson > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:05 PM > *To:* **Rotary motors in aircraft** > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Here is how I moved the starter position was : > [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side**** > > ** ** > > Yes, I had a radiator that the starter would interfere with at the 9 O > clock position. **** > > Actually, I chewed the holes - no, wait I used a hacksaw and a file - > back before I had nicer tools. **** > > **** > > Precision of keeping the PSRU plate in the same plane was much higher > {:>). I actually cut slots in the PSRUs mounting blocks so the bolts wou= ld > also hold my engine mounting brackets. That way I didn't have to attempt > to cut the blocks shorter to accommodate my 3/8" mounting brackets. Afte= r > ****Tracy**** told me how important keeping rotation concentric was, I > didn't want to attempt to cut off just enough to accommodate my mounting > brackets. I decided wiser to cut a slot in the blocks for my brackets - > the slot did not go all the way through the block, that way the length of > the block would not be changed.**** > > **** > > .In the PSRU Starter Plate photo, you can just see the starter plate > addition bolted to the bottom of the PSRU mounting plate with big bolts > into the plane of the plate.**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > Ed**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Bill Bradburry **** > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:10 PM**** > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft **** > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position > was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side**** > > ** ** > > Ed, by rotating the engine, you placed the starter on the 9 oclock > position, then you moved it back to the 6 oclock. I suppose the radiator > or something was in the way? I need to move the starter to the 9 oclock > because I would like to put the radiator on the bottom if I can.**** > > ** ** > > I had thought that the holes should be pretty precise. I can tell by you= r > pics that precision might be overvalued. :>) What did you use to cut th= e > large hole? A hole saw? **** > > ** ** > > Does anybody know where the discussion that ****Tracy**** was talking > about with the **Al Gietzen** method would be located?**** > > ** ** > > Bill B**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* **Rotary motors in aircraft** [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net= ] > *On Behalf Of *Ed Anderson > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:53 AM > *To:* **Rotary motors in aircraft** > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position was : > [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side**** > > ** ** > > > **** > > Bill, don't know it this would work for you as I have a "Plugs Up" > rotary. However, I also had to move the starter position when I replaced > my Lou Ross 2.17 with ****Tracy****'s PSRU. This is how I did it (photos > attached). I basically plugged the original starter hole and added a > starter mounting plate. Its been working for over 7 years with no > problem. I made one of the starter mounting holes a slot for final > adjustment.**** > > **** > > Many more photos - if interested, let me know.**** > > **** > > Ed**** > > **** > > Edward L. Anderson > ****Anderson**** Electronic Enterprises LLC > ****305 Reefton Road**** > ****Weddington**, **NC** **28104**** > http://www.andersonee.com > http://www.eicommander.com**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Bill Bradburry **** > > *Sent:* Monday, January 21, 2013 6:05 PM**** > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft **** > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side= * > *** > > ** ** > > Their web site says that they don=92t sell the plate by itself. You have= to > buy the entire mount.**** > > ** ** > > Bill B**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* **Rotary motors in aircraft** [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net= ] > *On Behalf Of *ARGOLDMAN@aol.com > *Sent:* Monday, January 21, 2013 4:04 PM > *To:* **Rotary motors in aircraft** > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side= * > *** > > ** ** > > Greetings,**** > > **** > > Although it is true that ****Tracy**** does not offer it, the Cozy Girlls > include the side mount as standard on their mount. (CG products). Their > rotary mount also has more reinforcements. Additionally everything they > make is of top quality.Take a look at their site. There is a section just > for rotaries.**** > > **** > > Rich**** > > **** > > In a message dated 1/21/2013 12:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, ** > msteitle@gmail.com** writes:**** > > Bill, **** > > ** ** > > I moved mine to the 9 o'clock position (plugs side) by building a whole > new plate. Since the bell housing bolts locate the center position, it > requires very accurate locating of the holes as does the center hole whic= h > has a counter-bore for the seal. I cut the plate and a good friend with = a > ****Bridgeport**** did the holes for reasonable fee. Too bad ****Tracy**= * > * doesn't offer this as an option. **** > > ** ** > > Mark S.**** > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM, **Bill Bradburry **< > bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:**** > > To those of you who have moved the starter on the PSRU mounting plate, ho= w > did you go about doing it? Can it be done with the plate mounted? > > Bill B > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html**** > > ** ** > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date: 01/21/13= * > *** > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date: 01/21/13= * > *** > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date: 01/21/13 > --047d7b2eda8b5ebaab04d3e9eb58 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill,=A0

Something I didn't see discussed is the spa= cing between the two starter mounting holes. =A0I copied someone else on th= is and cut one of the ears off and drilled a new hole that matched up with = an existing bell housing bolt. =A0It's a simple solution to the problem= of how to locate the starter mounting holes.=A0

Mark S.

On Tue, Jan 2= 2, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>= wrote:
Well, Bill, =A0my view is anything you can do on = the=20 ground to make things better in the air is well worth a bit of hacking and= =20 filing.=A0{:>).=A0 Yes, I got pretty proficient at making certain parts= =20 over and over and over, so can relate.=A0=A0
=A0
IF you can use=A0 template or jig to locate the n= on-=20 pivoiting mounting hole for your starter - the rest is not as critical.=A0 = I=20 make one hole a slot so I could make final adjustments=A0it worked=20 fine.=A0 I then used a larger star washer over the slotted bolt to=20 make=A0sure it grabbed the plate adequately - you don't want the starte= r=20 slipping around.
=A0
Good luck=A0
=A0
Ed

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:27 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Here is how I moved the starter = position=20 was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the=20 side

Ed,=A0 I don=92t yet=20 have nicer tools!=A0 I built the entire engine install with a hacksaw and a= =20 file!=A0 I think I also used a small hatchet on occasion!=A0 Sometimes I=20 would try and make a part out of SS and it would take me a week!=A0 While= =20 that might seem like a long time, if I only had to build a part one time an= d it=20 would work, it would not have taken me 7 years to get the damn thing in the= =20 air!=A0 :>)

=A0=

Now I am thinking about=20 changing not just a part, but the whole damn engine install!=A0 How nuts is= =20 that?!

=A0=

Bill=20 B

=A0=

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sen= t: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:05=20 PM
To: Rotary moto= rs in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Here is how I moved=20 the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bott= om to=20 the side

=A0

Yes, I had a radiator that the=20 starter would interfere with at the 9 O clock=20 position.=A0

=A0Actually, I chewed the holes -=20 no, wait I used a hacksaw and a file - back before I had nicer tools.=A0=20

=A0

Precision of keeping the PSRU plate=20 in the same plane was much higher {:>).=A0 I actually cut slots in the= =20 PSRUs=A0mounting=A0blocks so the bolts would also hold my engine mounting= =20 brackets.=A0 That way I didn't have to attempt to cut the blocks shorte= r to=20 accommodate my 3/8" mounting brackets.=A0 After Tracy= told me how=20 important keeping rotation concentric was, I didn't want to attempt to = cut off=20 just enough to accommodate my mounting brackets.=A0 I decided wiser to cut = a=20 slot in the blocks for my brackets - the slot did not go all the way throug= h the=20 block, that way the length of the block would not be=20 changed.

=A0

.In the PSRU Starter Plate photo,=20 you can just see the starter plate addition bolted to the bottom of the PSR= U=20 mounting plate with big bolts into the plane of the=20 plate.

=A0

=A0

=A0

Ed

=A0

Fro= m: Bill Bradburry=20

Sen= t: Tuesday,=20 January 22, 2013 1:10 PM

Sub= ject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRota= ry]=20 Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the=20 side

=A0

Ed, by rotating the=20 engine, you placed the starter on the 9 oclock position, then you moved it = back=20 to the 6 oclock.=A0 I suppose the radiator or something was in the way?=A0= =20 I need to move the starter to the 9 oclock because I would like to put the= =20 radiator on the bottom if I can.

=A0=

I had thought that the=20 holes should be pretty precise.=A0 I can tell by your pics that precision= =20 might be overvalued.=A0 :>)=A0 What did you use to cut the large=20 hole?=A0 A hole saw?=A0

=A0=

Does anybody know where=20 the discussion that Tracy was talking about wit= h the=20 Al Gietzen=20 method would be located?

=A0=

Bill=20 B

=A0=

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sen= t: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:53=20 AM
To: Rotary moto= rs in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Here is how I=20 moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from th= e=20 bottom to the side

=A0


=A0

Bill, don't know it this would work=20 for you as I have a "Plugs Up" rotary.=A0 However, I also had to = move the=20 starter position when I replaced my Lou Ross 2.17 with Tracy<= u>'s PSRU.=A0 This is=20 how I did it (photos attached).=A0 I basically plugged the original starter= =20 hole and added a starter mounting plate.=A0 Its been working for over 7 yea= rs=20 with no problem.=A0 I made one of the starter mounting holes a slot for fin= al=20 adjustment.

=A0

Many more photos - if interested,=20 let me know.

=A0

Ed

=A0

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic=20 Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton=20 Road
Weddington, NC=20 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com<= /u>

=A0

Sen= t: Monday,=20 January 21, 2013 6:05 PM

Sub= ject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the=20 side

=A0

Their web site says=20 that they don=92t sell the plate by itself.=A0 You have to buy the entire= =20 mount.

=A0=

Bill=20 B

=A0=

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of ARGOLDMAN@aol.com
Sent:<= /b> Monday, January 21, 2013 4:04=20 PM
To: Rotary moto= rs in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter=20 from the bottom to the side

=A0

Greetings,

=A0

Although it is true=20 that Tracy does=20 not offer it, the Cozy Girlls include the side mount as standard on their m= ount.=20 (CG products). Their rotary mount also has more reinforcements. Additionall= y=20 everything they make is of top quality.Take a look at their site. There is = a=20 section just for rotaries.

=A0

Rich

=A0

In a message dated=20 1/21/2013 12:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, msteitle@gmail.com=20 writes:

Bill,=A0=20

=A0

I moved mine to the=20 9 o'clock position (plugs side) by building a whole new plate. =A0Sin= ce the=20 bell housing bolts locate the center position, it requires very accurate= =20 locating of the holes as does the center hole which has a counter-bore fo= r the=20 seal. =A0I cut the plate and a good friend with a Bridgepor= t did the holes=20 for reasonable fee. =A0Too bad Tracy doesn= 9;t offer this as an=20 option.=A0

=A0

Mark=20 S.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013=20 at 10:46 AM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>=20 wrote:

To those of you who=20 have moved the starter on the PSRU mounting plate, how
did you go abou= t=20 doing it? =A0Can it be done with the plate mounted?

Bill=20 B


--
Homepage: =A0http://www.flyrotary.com= /
Archive and UnSub: =A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/li= sts/flyrotary/List.html

=A0

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2= 013.0.2890 / Virus=20 Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date: 01/21/13

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2= 013.0.2890 / Virus=20 Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date:=20 01/21/13

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus=20 Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date: 01/21/13


--047d7b2eda8b5ebaab04d3e9eb58--