X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6024581 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:42:53 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=acPjbGUt c=1 sm=0 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:17 a=AHkS0RJitIMA:10 a=GsEksPG6-REA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=MOxRYE4cj-UA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=r1ClD_H3AAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=v3YvoON6waZRX-5eRZUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=BFheCrmRkU7gjvsA:21 a=5OWLJK7YVNJc3If3:21 a=_xHNx7m-xqE4tEXd_C0A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=3frE4LLEm9fyTHxB:21 a=4FMcsV1lnGHSn-47:21 a=z5g_qdfSAAi1tNx4:21 a=g3L/TDsr+eNLfIieSKfGkw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 174.110.170.10 Received: from [174.110.170.10] ([174.110.170.10:59484] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 45/45-26261-BC51FF05; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:42:20 +0000 Message-ID: <5E113201BD564A6393BD9A054EF95574@EdPC> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Here is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:41:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01CDF8C7.C4A795F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01CDF8C7.C4A795F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, Bill, my view is anything you can do on the ground to make things = better in the air is well worth a bit of hacking and filing. {:>). Yes, = I got pretty proficient at making certain parts over and over and over, = so can relate. =20 IF you can use template or jig to locate the non- pivoiting mounting = hole for your starter - the rest is not as critical. I make one hole a = slot so I could make final adjustments it worked fine. I then used a = larger star washer over the slotted bolt to make sure it grabbed the = plate adequately - you don't want the starter slipping around. Good luck =20 Ed From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:27 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Here is how I moved the starter position was : = [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side Ed, I don't yet have nicer tools! I built the entire engine install = with a hacksaw and a file! I think I also used a small hatchet on = occasion! Sometimes I would try and make a part out of SS and it would = take me a week! While that might seem like a long time, if I only had = to build a part one time and it would work, it would not have taken me 7 = years to get the damn thing in the air! :>) =20 Now I am thinking about changing not just a part, but the whole damn = engine install! How nuts is that?! =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:05 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Here is how I moved the starter position was : = [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side =20 Yes, I had a radiator that the starter would interfere with at the 9 O = clock position.=20 Actually, I chewed the holes - no, wait I used a hacksaw and a file - = back before I had nicer tools. =20 =20 Precision of keeping the PSRU plate in the same plane was much higher = {:>). I actually cut slots in the PSRUs mounting blocks so the bolts = would also hold my engine mounting brackets. That way I didn't have to = attempt to cut the blocks shorter to accommodate my 3/8" mounting = brackets. After Tracy told me how important keeping rotation concentric = was, I didn't want to attempt to cut off just enough to accommodate my = mounting brackets. I decided wiser to cut a slot in the blocks for my = brackets - the slot did not go all the way through the block, that way = the length of the block would not be changed. =20 .In the PSRU Starter Plate photo, you can just see the starter plate = addition bolted to the bottom of the PSRU mounting plate with big bolts = into the plane of the plate. =20 =20 =20 Ed =20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position = was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side =20 Ed, by rotating the engine, you placed the starter on the 9 oclock = position, then you moved it back to the 6 oclock. I suppose the = radiator or something was in the way? I need to move the starter to the = 9 oclock because I would like to put the radiator on the bottom if I = can. =20 I had thought that the holes should be pretty precise. I can tell by = your pics that precision might be overvalued. :>) What did you use to = cut the large hole? A hole saw? =20 =20 Does anybody know where the discussion that Tracy was talking about with = the Al Gietzen method would be located? =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:53 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position was : = [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side =20 =20 Bill, don't know it this would work for you as I have a "Plugs Up" = rotary. However, I also had to move the starter position when I = replaced my Lou Ross 2.17 with Tracy's PSRU. This is how I did it = (photos attached). I basically plugged the original starter hole and = added a starter mounting plate. Its been working for over 7 years with = no problem. I made one of the starter mounting holes a slot for final = adjustment. =20 Many more photos - if interested, let me know. =20 Ed =20 Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com =20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:05 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side =20 Their web site says that they don't sell the plate by itself. You have = to buy the entire mount. =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:04 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side =20 Greetings, =20 Although it is true that Tracy does not offer it, the Cozy Girlls = include the side mount as standard on their mount. (CG products). Their = rotary mount also has more reinforcements. Additionally everything they = make is of top quality.Take a look at their site. There is a section = just for rotaries. =20 Rich =20 In a message dated 1/21/2013 12:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, = msteitle@gmail.com writes: Bill, =20 =20 I moved mine to the 9 o'clock position (plugs side) by building a = whole new plate. Since the bell housing bolts locate the center = position, it requires very accurate locating of the holes as does the = center hole which has a counter-bore for the seal. I cut the plate and = a good friend with a Bridgeport did the holes for reasonable fee. Too = bad Tracy doesn't offer this as an option.=20 =20 Mark S. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Bill Bradburry = wrote: To those of you who have moved the starter on the PSRU mounting plate, = how did you go about doing it? Can it be done with the plate mounted? Bill B -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =20 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date: = 01/21/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date: = 01/21/13 No virus found in this message. 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Well, Bill,  my view is anything you can do = on the=20 ground to make things better in the air is well worth a bit of hacking = and=20 filing. {:>).  Yes, I got pretty proficient at making = certain parts=20 over and over and over, so can relate.  
 
IF you can use  template or jig to locate = the non-=20 pivoiting mounting hole for your starter - the rest is not as = critical.  I=20 make one hole a slot so I could make final adjustments it worked=20 fine.  I then used a larger star washer over the slotted bolt to=20 make sure it grabbed the plate adequately - you don't want the = starter=20 slipping around.
 
Good luck 
 
Ed

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:27 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Here is how I moved the starter = position=20 was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the=20 side

Ed,  I = don=92t yet=20 have nicer tools!  I built the entire engine install with a hacksaw = and a=20 file!  I think I also used a small hatchet on occasion!  = Sometimes I=20 would try and make a part out of SS and it would take me a week!  = While=20 that might seem like a long time, if I only had to build a part one time = and it=20 would work, it would not have taken me 7 years to get the damn thing in = the=20 air!  :>)

 

Now I am = thinking about=20 changing not just a part, but the whole damn engine install!  How = nuts is=20 that?!

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 = 2:05=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Here is how = I moved=20 the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the = bottom to=20 the side

 

Yes, I had a radiator that = the=20 starter would interfere with at the 9 O clock=20 position. 

 Actually, I chewed = the holes -=20 no, wait I used a hacksaw and a file - back before I had nicer = tools. =20

 

Precision of keeping the = PSRU plate=20 in the same plane was much higher {:>).  I actually cut slots in = the=20 PSRUs mounting blocks so the bolts would also hold my engine = mounting=20 brackets.  That way I didn't have to attempt to cut the blocks = shorter to=20 accommodate my 3/8" mounting brackets.  After Tracy told me = how=20 important keeping rotation concentric was, I didn't want to attempt to = cut off=20 just enough to accommodate my mounting brackets.  I decided wiser = to cut a=20 slot in the blocks for my brackets - the slot did not go all the way = through the=20 block, that way the length of the block would not be=20 changed.

 

.In the PSRU Starter Plate = photo,=20 you can just see the starter plate addition bolted to the bottom of the = PSRU=20 mounting plate with big bolts into the plane of the=20 plate.

 

 

 

Ed

 

From: Bill Bradburry=20

Sent: Tuesday,=20 January 22, 2013 1:10 PM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position was : = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the=20 side

 

Ed, by = rotating the=20 engine, you placed the starter on the 9 oclock position, then you moved = it back=20 to the 6 oclock.  I suppose the radiator or something was in the = way? =20 I need to move the starter to the 9 oclock because I would like to put = the=20 radiator on the bottom if I can.

 

I had thought = that the=20 holes should be pretty precise.  I can tell by your pics that = precision=20 might be overvalued.  :>)  What did you use to cut the = large=20 hole?  A hole saw? 

 

Does anybody = know where=20 the discussion that Tracy was talking about with the=20 Al Gietzen=20 method would be located?

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 = 8:53=20 AM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Here is = how I=20 moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from = the=20 bottom to the side

 


 

Bill, don't know it this = would work=20 for you as I have a "Plugs Up" rotary.  However, I also had to move = the=20 starter position when I replaced my Lou Ross 2.17 with Tracy's = PSRU.  This is=20 how I did it (photos attached).  I basically plugged the original = starter=20 hole and added a starter mounting plate.  Its been working for over = 7 years=20 with no problem.  I made one of the starter mounting holes a slot = for final=20 adjustment.

 

Many more photos - if = interested,=20 let me know.

 

Ed

 

Edward L. = Anderson
Anderson = Electronic=20 Enterprises LLC
305 = Reefton=20 Road
Weddington, NC = 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com=

 

From: Bill=20 Bradburry

Sent: Monday,=20 January 21, 2013 6:05 PM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the=20 side

 

Their web = site says=20 that they don=92t sell the plate by itself.  You have to buy the = entire=20 mount.

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of ARGOLDMAN@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 = 4:04=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Moving = the starter=20 from the bottom to the side

 

Greetings,

 

Although it = is true=20 that Tracy does=20 not offer it, the Cozy Girlls include the side mount as standard on = their mount.=20 (CG products). Their rotary mount also has more reinforcements. = Additionally=20 everything they make is of top quality.Take a look at their site. There = is a=20 section just for rotaries.

 

Rich

 

In a message = dated=20 1/21/2013 12:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, msteitle@gmail.com=20 writes:

Bill, =20

 

I moved = mine to the=20 9 o'clock position (plugs side) by building a whole new plate. =  Since the=20 bell housing bolts locate the center position, it requires very = accurate=20 locating of the holes as does the center hole which has a counter-bore = for the=20 seal.  I cut the plate and a good friend with a Bridgeport = did the holes=20 for reasonable fee.  Too bad Tracy doesn't offer this as an=20 option. 

 

Mark=20 S.

On Mon, = Jan 21, 2013=20 at 10:46 AM, Bill Bradburry = <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>=20 wrote:

To those = of you who=20 have moved the starter on the PSRU mounting plate, how
did you go = about=20 doing it?  Can it be done with the plate mounted?

Bill=20 B


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