X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6024150 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:28:34 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.101; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-98-85-189-34.mco.bellsouth.net[98.85.189.34]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20130122192756H0100iruk7e>; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:27:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.85.189.34] From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Here is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:27:57 -0500 Message-ID: <8B172D8235CF46858B67270382C30185@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01CDF8AC.ACF4A530" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac340387fj2UdNauTse56SJh53hBjAAAjEzQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01CDF8AC.ACF4A530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed, I don't yet have nicer tools! I built the entire engine install with a hacksaw and a file! I think I also used a small hatchet on occasion! Sometimes I would try and make a part out of SS and it would take me a week! While that might seem like a long time, if I only had to build a part one time and it would work, it would not have taken me 7 years to get the damn thing in the air! :>) Now I am thinking about changing not just a part, but the whole damn engine install! How nuts is that?! Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 2:05 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Here is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side Yes, I had a radiator that the starter would interfere with at the 9 O clock position. Actually, I chewed the holes - no, wait I used a hacksaw and a file - back before I had nicer tools. Precision of keeping the PSRU plate in the same plane was much higher {:>). I actually cut slots in the PSRUs mounting blocks so the bolts would also hold my engine mounting brackets. That way I didn't have to attempt to cut the blocks shorter to accommodate my 3/8" mounting brackets. After Tracy told me how important keeping rotation concentric was, I didn't want to attempt to cut off just enough to accommodate my mounting brackets. I decided wiser to cut a slot in the blocks for my brackets - the slot did not go all the way through the block, that way the length of the block would not be changed. .In the PSRU Starter Plate photo, you can just see the starter plate addition bolted to the bottom of the PSRU mounting plate with big bolts into the plane of the plate. Ed From: Bill Bradburry Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side Ed, by rotating the engine, you placed the starter on the 9 oclock position, then you moved it back to the 6 oclock. I suppose the radiator or something was in the way? I need to move the starter to the 9 oclock because I would like to put the radiator on the bottom if I can. I had thought that the holes should be pretty precise. I can tell by your pics that precision might be overvalued. :>) What did you use to cut the large hole? A hole saw? Does anybody know where the discussion that Tracy was talking about with the Al Gietzen method would be located? Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:53 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side Bill, don't know it this would work for you as I have a "Plugs Up" rotary. However, I also had to move the starter position when I replaced my Lou Ross 2.17 with Tracy's PSRU. This is how I did it (photos attached). I basically plugged the original starter hole and added a starter mounting plate. Its been working for over 7 years with no problem. I made one of the starter mounting holes a slot for final adjustment. Many more photos - if interested, let me know. Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com From: Bill Bradburry Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:05 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side Their web site says that they don't sell the plate by itself. You have to buy the entire mount. Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:04 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the side Greetings, Although it is true that Tracy does not offer it, the Cozy Girlls include the side mount as standard on their mount. (CG products). Their rotary mount also has more reinforcements. Additionally everything they make is of top quality.Take a look at their site. There is a section just for rotaries. Rich In a message dated 1/21/2013 12:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, msteitle@gmail.com writes: Bill, I moved mine to the 9 o'clock position (plugs side) by building a whole new plate. Since the bell housing bolts locate the center position, it requires very accurate locating of the holes as does the center hole which has a counter-bore for the seal. I cut the plate and a good friend with a Bridgeport did the holes for reasonable fee. Too bad Tracy doesn't offer this as an option. Mark S. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Bill Bradburry wrote: To those of you who have moved the starter on the PSRU mounting plate, how did you go about doing it? Can it be done with the plate mounted? Bill B -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6047 - Release Date: 01/21/13 No virus found in this message. 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Ed,  I don’t yet have = nicer tools!  I built the entire engine install with a hacksaw and a = file!  I think I also used a small hatchet on occasion!  Sometimes I would = try and make a part out of SS and it would take me a week!  While that = might seem like a long time, if I only had to build a part one time and it = would work, it would not have taken me 7 years to get the damn thing in the air!  :>)

 

Now I am thinking about changing = not just a part, but the whole damn engine install!  How nuts is = that?!

 

Bill B

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, January = 22, 2013 2:05 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Here = is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from = the bottom to the side

 

Yes, I had a radiator that the starter would = interfere with at the 9 O clock position. 

 Actually, I chewed the holes - no, wait I used = a hacksaw and a file - back before I had nicer tools.  =

 

Precision of keeping the PSRU plate in the same plane = was much higher {:>).  I actually cut slots in the PSRUs mounting blocks so the bolts would also hold my engine = mounting brackets.  That way I didn't have to attempt to cut the blocks = shorter to accommodate my 3/8" mounting brackets.  After Tracy told me how important keeping = rotation concentric was, I didn't want to attempt to cut off just enough to = accommodate my mounting brackets.  I decided wiser to cut a slot in the blocks = for my brackets - the slot did not go all the way through the block, that way = the length of the block would not be changed.

 

.In the PSRU Starter Plate photo, you can just see = the starter plate addition bolted to the bottom of the PSRU mounting plate = with big bolts into the plane of the plate.

 

 

 

Ed

 

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:10 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Here is how I moved the starter position was : = [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the = side

 

Ed, by rotating the engine, you = placed the starter on the 9 oclock position, then you moved it back to the 6 = oclock.  I suppose the radiator or something was in the way?  I need to move = the starter to the 9 oclock because I would like to put the radiator on the = bottom if I can.

 

I had thought that the holes should = be pretty precise.  I can tell by your pics that precision might be overvalued.  :>)  What did you use to cut the large = hole?  A hole saw? 

 

Does anybody know where the = discussion that Tracy was talking about with the Al Gietzen method would = be located?

 

Bill B

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, January = 22, 2013 8:53 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Fw: = Here is how I moved the starter position was : [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the = starter from the bottom to the side

 


 

Bill, don't know it this would work for you as I have = a "Plugs Up" rotary.  However, I also had to move the = starter position when I replaced my Lou Ross 2.17 with Tracy's PSRU.  This is how I = did it (photos attached).  I basically plugged the original starter hole = and added a starter mounting plate.  Its been working for over 7 years = with no problem.  I made one of the starter mounting holes a slot for final adjustment.

 

Many more photos - if interested, let me = know.

 

Ed

 

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton = Road
Weddington, = NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com=

 

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:05 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Moving the starter from the bottom to the = side

 

Their web site says that they = don’t sell the plate by itself.  You have to buy the entire = mount.

 

Bill B

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of ARGOLDMAN@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 21, = 2013 4:04 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Moving the starter from the bottom to the side

 

Greetings,=

 

=

Although it is true that = Tracy does not = offer it, the Cozy Girlls include the side mount as standard on their mount. (CG products). Their rotary mount also has more reinforcements. Additionally everything they make is of top quality.Take a look at their site. There = is a section just for rotaries.

 

=

Rich

 

=

In a message dated 1/21/2013 = 12:18:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, msteitle@gmail.com writes:

Bill,  =

 

=

I moved mine to the 9 o'clock = position (plugs side) by building a whole new plate.  Since the bell housing = bolts locate the center position, it requires very accurate locating of the = holes as does the center hole which has a counter-bore for the seal.  I cut = the plate and a good friend with a Bridgeport did the holes for reasonable fee.  Too bad Tracy doesn't offer this as an = option. 

 

=

Mark = S.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:46 AM, = Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>= ; wrote:

To those of you who have moved the starter on the PSRU mounting plate, how
did you go about doing it?  Can it be done with the plate = mounted?

Bill B


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