X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm21-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.236.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c2) with ESMTPS id 5844096 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:51:31 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.236.31; envelope-from=echristley@att.net Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 18:50:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.54] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 18:50:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 18:50:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1351277454; bh=mYYneEQ3FCBEv0SsC6x/nbdYeysDdjzG8KfHRH1/5tg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=qGcjUHZ6S6f8cXJZPdfUtPf4UuAwWOrJrXKad37c3Nh4Hj+UXkGF/jpAs1ZLydtqbSTkJhuGvZ+fxhmOPCWir+O9Dytd0/tgTq2s9DHkK7hyJ0jD4TiW8/cA/aW2qVewqgL4bjEJY7+wSXZ5l1imHZQ+b8HIytfeUgu32yHU1vI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 427212.45327.bm@smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: qj4Q6E4VM1lus7gxmbPYX1Pon0oJsye2D0SWoH0K.i8lbUr sEmUr_6Diik11gIgJH_f4R6u7ZX31nYo4JrS2PbQNWGQ2xp7o5dPC1jsGgEr QgsPcPbOSlmCs1XJtStua5CWtRhs4T0YtWgFGvZXh.eHUJWXsToQxEdUqziR C7V_oCJndxADEE1CNoeI7Db2giaa3KSqKQ2aZinhnEnzI_Y9RWIhSbI.7ZiY Ae7bvU4W.wMVY4YjI41j2TgQXuvcOdEtq0VBFjDXzTHd0AkLjEQ5FED248W1 cl8F4mptZcPiFnpnpVA8Ox7VAs2eJpPvb6wmrMhJjLQFlyFHM8y8UkvQ7Go6 ZRav.RZZk9et9.IZEZO3qastrti222oSsCMA0uwWxlA_VQypg3XWQenUc0vX LByKTLF9NgzAElQTuf4M.H_9mEJhxXtVaaCKhu42o016VypBpjMAR5zTSl5N TdDgPe8o0aL4Zu6FTv.UT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- Received: from [10.62.203.45] (echristley@216.240.30.4 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2012 11:50:54 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <508ADB86.6040305@att.net> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:50:46 -0400 From: Ernest Chrisltey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Here we go again.... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010604080508070806030004" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010604080508070806030004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why, oh why, are you competing with Ed to see who can have the most mishaps? Just because he got a trophy doesn't mean it's a DESIRABLE thing to accomplish. 8*) On 10/24/2012 08:10 PM, Chris Barber wrote: > > > > Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be > grateful. I flew the other day, Friday, and everything was great. I > was just flying over the airport after some modifications to test > systems (replaced the front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with a > small cylinder pressed into the hole with the O-ring around it to > prevent it from slipping out...along with the silicone ring around the > O-ring). I was up about ten minutes and all my gages were well in the > green and the engine seemed to be running solidly. I turned on down > wind at about 1500 feet, looked down at my gages again and noticed my > water and oil temps were both red with coolant temps at 260 degrees. > Damn. Called for clearance to land as I reduced power. Pegged my > best landing and taxied back to the hangar without incident resulting > in injury. > > I only had time to remove the cowl and note that the cowl was wet but > had to leave for the day. I returned the next day and started it up > with only a little difficulty and noted the radiator was not getting > warm...thus concluded no flow. I ordered a new water pump > from Mazdatrix with expedited shipping and installed it. I figured the > water pump was likely twenty years old and a new one would hurt. Just > as I was buttoning it up and reinstalling the pulley on the new water > pump I was moving the stainless water hose out of the way for the > wrench and FINALLY saw the REAL problem. The stainless steel water > hose had shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft pulley and gouged two > small holes allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere of greater > Houston. > > Sigh. Ok, repaired the hose today. Filled the system with new > coolant (still has some in the radiator with is under the engine). > Ok, for those of you in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, > I have been here before). Finally, with much difficulty and a jump > box the engine started...and ran well...but, after taking a few > minutes to warm up, it jumped to about 200 degrees. I shut down and > as expected by now, steam came out of the tail pipe and I could hear > the water boiling in the chambers. Sigh again. I pushed the plane > into the hangar and pulled a plug, pulled the prop through and steam > shot out of the plug hole. > > Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did not seize and it kept > running for a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these > things (even if apparently do not know how to properly tie back a > water hose as not to rub on a fast moving e-shaft pulley). So, the > tear down is inevitable. > > Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't > warp the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most > certainly are warped....). > > Just wanted to share. > > Chris Barber > > Houston > > 2.2 hours in Phase One testing > --------------010604080508070806030004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Why, oh why, are you competing with Ed to see who can have the most mishaps?  Just because he got a trophy doesn't mean it's a DESIRABLE thing to accomplish.

8*)


On 10/24/2012 08:10 PM, Chris Barber wrote:

<insert favorite string of expletives here>

 

Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be grateful.  I flew the other day, Friday,  and everything was great.  I was just flying over the airport after some modifications to test systems (replaced the front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with a small cylinder pressed into the hole with the O-ring around it to prevent it from slipping out...along with the silicone ring around the O-ring).  I was up about ten minutes and all my gages were well in the green and the engine seemed to be running solidly. I turned on down wind at about 1500 feet, looked down at my gages again and noticed my water and oil temps were both red with coolant temps at 260 degrees.  Damn.  Called for clearance to land as I reduced power.  Pegged my best landing and taxied back to the hangar without incident resulting in injury.

 

I only had time to remove the cowl and note that the cowl was wet but had to leave for the day.  I returned the next day and started it up with only a little difficulty and noted the radiator was not getting warm...thus concluded no flow.  I ordered a new water pump from Mazdatrix with expedited shipping and installed it. I figured the water pump was likely twenty years old and a new one would hurt. Just as I was buttoning it up and reinstalling the pulley on the new water pump I was moving the stainless water hose out of the way for the wrench and FINALLY saw the REAL problem.  The stainless steel water hose had shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft pulley and gouged two small holes allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere of greater Houston.

 

Sigh.  Ok, repaired the hose today.  Filled the system with new coolant (still has some in the radiator with is under the engine).  Ok, for those of you in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, I have been here before).  Finally, with much difficulty and a jump box the engine started...and ran well...but, after taking a few minutes to warm up, it jumped to about 200 degrees.  I shut down and as expected by now, steam came out of the tail pipe and I could hear the water boiling in the chambers.  Sigh again.  I pushed the plane into the hangar and pulled a plug, pulled the prop through and steam shot out of the plug hole.

 

Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did not seize and it kept running for a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these things (even if apparently do not know how to properly tie back a water hose as not to rub on a fast moving e-shaft pulley).  So, the tear down is inevitable. 

 

Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't warp the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most certainly are warped....).

 

Just wanted to share.

 

Chris Barber

Houston

2.2 hours in Phase One testing


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