X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm6-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.158] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c2) with ESMTPS id 5842849 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:12:03 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.237.158; envelope-from=downing.j@sbcglobal.net Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 01:11:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.52] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 01:11:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2012 01:11:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1351213887; bh=stGry0e0ieRmRZZp6aub8r5q4Xs7+mwIOXjtzEgYE5k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=02opNrW36RrDCFrS229DYnubZE5LL2TfuRRGIa6Gtf4E3junfQdYDtQ19wCrisyrLQ7mLHxdrfr+h+zt6eInQkh2jswdooJS+pckZWyz7Wy0e8v4oOq3h1F02lWEP0iFC0gvbg02Ukwm3EV8jpKebTsbt+sUzLOENLpa680Cykk= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 75578.75060.bm@smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: fx8nVPUVM1n_rkstmXGEFJaoeG2rao6FtURWM_EYFn.HZJH 13DW1noY9IF2Ulbc8YIXHllKwxNK970EX_XKpgW_R0Vl3wG27vEYcKkE5rUm i4uOfEah7iEVMJEyekJ6dXUfQEJtKoXU9DNs8FArb2NRbKWex2s6rHSquPEu p5fvfw8GxaRFDxdRd48G_G5YDzMShPid70NSBiwQhYrUAfJw13tUIlk2LO9F ltIv9QO0Ml_MNTMKqy88I65sYjIefK1zc8sRhYrc6yNpieGFeuHuSjXrERNA vNR1dqO.1cooalETvfgg3E.MbqOzUnKvOUPcQ9VtLkBcVVNuq2.04793AT1D xbwLHXxR2dMEjVpyLyeH.u7dbPUydXiQT5Ys1UjRGKbcok09qAxMspWzXSxJ nFqbs1OYxIWigSPtdovFGGwSk6wvCbfP0CrqiQ1uvasgkBb1qHFoCHY60vHz HhYYpbW0sgkfqzJEssiPU8bZrz0qFdVsc_A_l8WzYUUVlqaADKiUDhqv21Pj lF_DMJ0qpZuY9iDmj9xPZTCZcbqH1ae146FEzTogH5ZITmoN3VKt5lXdgPMS ZzPQNNx0EC5hmqOOR_uO76.qffCDmr.7OJK8avw82wXMBpnB9Ejj0t4OW6Qn Le1v3DpI_6Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4Ss7WYSswBAR3ULsDHPw5yIFKkoakpn6PCJcwuPp3izwMVSl Received: from JohnPC (downing.j@69.209.117.88 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2012 18:11:26 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <201131513E3B44AE97AD6A5754E33853@JohnPC> From: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Adel clamps? Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:11:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01CDB2F5.4AC860B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01CDB2F5.4AC860B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marc, I used koroseal lacing like that is used on Old Pipers and = Helicopters. I purchased a 100 ft roll from the manufacture in Florida = and laced everything in the engine compartment. It is also available = for ACS for 0.53/ft, makes a nice clean installation. Adel clamps are = expensive unless purchased from a vendor at Oshkosh. JohnD ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Marc Wiese=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Adel clamps? OK. Adel clamps. Where to buy in quantity and inexpensively? I never = seem to have the right size on hand! M. =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:13 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Here we go again.... =20 Having had coolant shoot out the spark plug hold like a small "ole = Faithful" is something that makes your heart sink - having been there, = myself, I can emphasize with you, Chris. =20 The good news is that this happened over home plate - having spent 6 = weeks in the rotary no-man's land of Southwest Louisiana - I can tell = you its even less fun when it happens away from home base. =20 =20 Adel or similar clamps to keep hoses/wires away from spinning is cheap = insurance - I use a lot of them. =20 Good luck in getting back in the air quickly. =20 Ed =20 Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com =20 From: Chris Barber=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Here we go again.... =20 =20 Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be = grateful. I flew the other day, Friday, and everything was great. I = was just flying over the airport after some modifications to test = systems (replaced the front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with a small = cylinder pressed into the hole with the O-ring around it to prevent it = from slipping out...along with the silicone ring around the O-ring). I = was up about ten minutes and all my gages were well in the green and the = engine seemed to be running solidly. I turned on down wind at about 1500 = feet, looked down at my gages again and noticed my water and oil temps = were both red with coolant temps at 260 degrees. Damn. Called for = clearance to land as I reduced power. Pegged my best landing and taxied = back to the hangar without incident resulting in injury. =20 I only had time to remove the cowl and note that the cowl was wet but = had to leave for the day. I returned the next day and started it up = with only a little difficulty and noted the radiator was not getting = warm...thus concluded no flow. I ordered a new water pump from = Mazdatrix with expedited shipping and installed it. I figured the water = pump was likely twenty years old and a new one would hurt. Just as I was = buttoning it up and reinstalling the pulley on the new water pump I was = moving the stainless water hose out of the way for the wrench and = FINALLY saw the REAL problem. The stainless steel water hose had = shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft pulley and gouged two small holes = allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere of greater Houston. =20 Sigh. Ok, repaired the hose today. Filled the system with new = coolant (still has some in the radiator with is under the engine). Ok, = for those of you in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, I have = been here before). Finally, with much difficulty and a jump box the = engine started...and ran well...but, after taking a few minutes to warm = up, it jumped to about 200 degrees. I shut down and as expected by now, = steam came out of the tail pipe and I could hear the water boiling in = the chambers. Sigh again. I pushed the plane into the hangar and = pulled a plug, pulled the prop through and steam shot out of the plug = hole. =20 Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did not seize and it kept = running for a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these things = (even if apparently do not know how to properly tie back a water hose as = not to rub on a fast moving e-shaft pulley). So, the tear down is = inevitable.=20 =20 Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't = warp the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most = certainly are warped....). =20 Just wanted to share.=20 =20 Chris Barber Houston 2.2 hours in Phase One testing No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2616/5847 - Release Date: = 10/22/12 ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01CDB2F5.4AC860B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Marc, I used koroseal lacing like that = is used on=20 Old Pipers and Helicopters.  I purchased a 100 ft roll from the = manufacture=20 in Florida and laced everything in the engine compartment.  It is = also=20 available for ACS for 0.53/ft, makes a nice clean installation.  = Adel=20 clamps are expensive unless purchased from a vendor at Oshkosh. =20 JohnD
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Marc=20 Wiese
Sent: Thursday, October 25, = 2012 7:05=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Adel = clamps?

OK. Adel = clamps.=20 Where to buy in quantity and inexpensively? I never seem to have the = right=20 size on hand!

M.

 

From: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:13 = AM
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Here we = go=20 again....

 

Having had=20 coolant shoot out the spark plug hold like a small "ole Faithful" is = something=20 that makes your heart sink - having been there, myself,  I can = emphasize=20 with you, Chris.

 

  The=20 good news is that this happened over home plate - having spent 6 weeks = in the=20 rotary no-man's land of Southwest Louisiana - I can tell you its even = less fun=20 when it happens away from home base.  =

 

Adel or=20 similar clamps to keep hoses/wires away from spinning is cheap = insurance - I=20 use a lot of them.

 

Good luck=20 in getting back in the air quickly.

 

Ed

 

Edward L.=20 Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton=20 Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com=

 

From: Chris=20 Barber

Sent: = Wednesday,=20 October 24, 2012 8:10 PM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Here=20 we go again....

 

<insert=20 favorite string of expletives here>

 

Ok,=20 to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be = grateful. =20 I flew the other day, Friday,  and everything was great.  I = was just=20 flying over the airport after some modifications to test systems = (replaced the=20 front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with a small cylinder = pressed into=20 the hole with the O-ring around it to prevent it from slipping=20 out...along with the silicone ring around the O-ring).  I was up = about=20 ten minutes and all my gages were well in the green and the engine = seemed to=20 be running solidly. I turned on down wind at about 1500 feet, looked = down at=20 my gages again and noticed my water and oil temps were both red with = coolant=20 temps at 260 degrees.  Damn.  Called for clearance to land = as I=20 reduced power.  Pegged my best landing and taxied back to the = hangar=20 without incident resulting in injury.

 

I=20 only had time to remove the cowl and note that the cowl was wet = but had=20 to leave for the day.  I returned the next day and started it up = with=20 only a little difficulty and noted the radiator was not getting=20 warm...thus concluded no flow.  I ordered a new water pump=20 from Mazdatrix with expedited shipping and installed = it. I=20 figured the water pump was likely twenty years old and a new one would = hurt. Just as I was buttoning it up and reinstalling = the pulley on=20 the new water pump I was moving the stainless water hose out of = the way=20 for the wrench and FINALLY saw the REAL problem.  The = stainless=20 steel water hose had shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft pulley = and=20 gouged two small holes allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere = of greater Houston.

 

Sigh. =20 Ok, repaired the hose today.  Filled the system with new coolant = (still=20 has some in the radiator with is under the engine).  Ok, for = those of you=20 in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, I have been here=20 before).  Finally, with much difficulty and a jump box = the engine=20 started...and ran well...but, after taking a few minutes to warm up, = it jumped=20 to about 200 degrees.  I shut down and as expected by now, steam = came out=20 of the tail pipe and I could hear the water boiling in the = chambers. =20 Sigh again.  I pushed the plane into the hangar and pulled a = plug, pulled=20 the prop through and steam shot out of the plug = hole.

 

Ok,=20 this sucks, but at least my engine did not seize and it kept = running for=20 a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these things (even=20 if apparently do not know how to properly tie back a water hose = as not to=20 rub on a fast moving e-shaft pulley).  So, the tear down is=20 inevitable. 

 

Hopefully=20 the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't warp the = plates,=20 I just cant afford that right now (so they most certainly are=20 warped....).

 

Just=20 wanted to share.

 

Chris=20 Barber

Houston

2.2=20 hours in Phase One testing

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