X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c2) with ESMTP id 5842776 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:06:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.82; envelope-from=cardmarc@charter.net Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20121025230529.ZPTY24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:05:29 -0400 Received: from HomeDesktop ([97.94.192.34]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id Fb5V1k0020kzDSx05b5V0k; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:05:29 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=A/GJ+kjF2BHWMOKp2usPiQ==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=r1ClD_H3AAAA:8 a=glYVDZ00AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=h8XECKkaNiUaeuSr7J0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=XCwpvLtFMdsA:10 a=v68lPWaTs5_3SI9Q:21 a=kECnkA60o8U2JtQw:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=PvtHK_FmdJG-DQFCtrAA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=mX8GWE6deq7HTZ-i:21 a=E3B4bCU8wTOViaqb:21 a=0flltL1Juwl9hriN:21 a=A/GJ+kjF2BHWMOKp2usPiQ==:117 From: "Marc Wiese" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: Adel clamps? Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:05:28 -0500 Message-ID: <004801cdb305$39f701f0$ade505d0$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01CDB2DB.5125B4E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac2zBTmhEnluK1UOT9WDLjee2vae+w== Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01CDB2DB.5125B4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Adel clamps. Where to buy in quantity and inexpensively? I never seem to have the right size on hand! M. From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:13 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Here we go again.... Having had coolant shoot out the spark plug hold like a small "ole Faithful" is something that makes your heart sink - having been there, myself, I can emphasize with you, Chris. The good news is that this happened over home plate - having spent 6 weeks in the rotary no-man's land of Southwest Louisiana - I can tell you its even less fun when it happens away from home base. Adel or similar clamps to keep hoses/wires away from spinning is cheap insurance - I use a lot of them. Good luck in getting back in the air quickly. Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com From: Chris Barber Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:10 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Here we go again.... Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be grateful. I flew the other day, Friday, and everything was great. I was just flying over the airport after some modifications to test systems (replaced the front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with a small cylinder pressed into the hole with the O-ring around it to prevent it from slipping out...along with the silicone ring around the O-ring). I was up about ten minutes and all my gages were well in the green and the engine seemed to be running solidly. I turned on down wind at about 1500 feet, looked down at my gages again and noticed my water and oil temps were both red with coolant temps at 260 degrees. Damn. Called for clearance to land as I reduced power. Pegged my best landing and taxied back to the hangar without incident resulting in injury. I only had time to remove the cowl and note that the cowl was wet but had to leave for the day. I returned the next day and started it up with only a little difficulty and noted the radiator was not getting warm...thus concluded no flow. I ordered a new water pump from Mazdatrix with expedited shipping and installed it. I figured the water pump was likely twenty years old and a new one would hurt. Just as I was buttoning it up and reinstalling the pulley on the new water pump I was moving the stainless water hose out of the way for the wrench and FINALLY saw the REAL problem. The stainless steel water hose had shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft pulley and gouged two small holes allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere of greater Houston. Sigh. Ok, repaired the hose today. Filled the system with new coolant (still has some in the radiator with is under the engine). Ok, for those of you in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, I have been here before). Finally, with much difficulty and a jump box the engine started...and ran well...but, after taking a few minutes to warm up, it jumped to about 200 degrees. I shut down and as expected by now, steam came out of the tail pipe and I could hear the water boiling in the chambers. Sigh again. I pushed the plane into the hangar and pulled a plug, pulled the prop through and steam shot out of the plug hole. Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did not seize and it kept running for a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these things (even if apparently do not know how to properly tie back a water hose as not to rub on a fast moving e-shaft pulley). So, the tear down is inevitable. Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't warp the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most certainly are warped....). Just wanted to share. Chris Barber Houston 2.2 hours in Phase One testing No virus found in this message. 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OK. Adel = clamps. Where to buy in quantity and inexpensively? I never seem to have = the right size on hand!

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From:= = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 = 7:13 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Here we go again....

 

Having had coolant shoot out = the spark plug hold like a small "ole Faithful" is something = that makes your heart sink - having been there, myself,  I can = emphasize with you, Chris.

 

  The good news is that = this happened over home plate - having spent 6 weeks in the rotary = no-man's land of Southwest Louisiana - I can tell you its even less fun = when it happens away from home base.  =

 

Adel = or similar clamps to keep hoses/wires away from spinning is cheap = insurance - I use a lot of them.

 

Good = luck in getting back in the air = quickly.

 

Ed

=

 

Edward L. = Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton = Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com=

 <= /o:p>

From:= = Chris Barber =

Sent:= = Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:10 PM

Subject: = [FlyRotary] Here we go = again....

 

= <insert favorite string of expletives = here>

=  

= Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be = grateful.  I flew the other day, Friday,  and everything was = great.  I was just flying over the airport after some modifications = to test systems (replaced the front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with = a small cylinder pressed into the hole with the O-ring around = it to prevent it from slipping out...along with the silicone ring around = the O-ring).  I was up about ten minutes and all my gages were well = in the green and the engine seemed to be running solidly. I turned on = down wind at about 1500 feet, looked down at my gages again and noticed = my water and oil temps were both red with coolant temps at 260 = degrees.  Damn.  Called for clearance to land as I reduced = power.  Pegged my best landing and taxied back to the hangar = without incident resulting in injury.

=  

= I only had time to remove the cowl and note that the cowl was wet = but had to leave for the day.  I returned the next day and started = it up with only a little difficulty and noted the radiator was not = getting warm...thus concluded no flow.  I ordered a new water pump = from Mazdatrix with expedited shipping and installed = it. I figured the water pump was likely twenty years old and a new = one would hurt. Just as I was buttoning it up and reinstalling = the pulley on the new water pump I was moving the stainless = water hose out of the way for the wrench and FINALLY saw the REAL = problem.  The stainless steel water hose had shifted and rubbed up = on the e-shaft pulley and gouged two small holes allowing my = coolant to blow into the atmosphere of greater = Houston.

=  

= Sigh.  Ok, repaired the hose today.  Filled the system with = new coolant (still has some in the radiator with is under the = engine).  Ok, for those of you in the know, you know it was hard to = start (yes, I have been here before).  Finally, with much = difficulty and a jump box the engine started...and ran well...but, = after taking a few minutes to warm up, it jumped to about 200 = degrees.  I shut down and as expected by now, steam came out of the = tail pipe and I could hear the water boiling in the chambers.  Sigh = again.  I pushed the plane into the hangar and pulled a plug, = pulled the prop through and steam shot out of the plug = hole.

=  

= Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did not seize and it kept = running for a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these things = (even if apparently do not know how to properly tie back a water = hose as not to rub on a fast moving e-shaft pulley).  So, the tear = down is inevitable. 

=  

= Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't = warp the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most = certainly are warped....).

=  

= Just wanted to share.

=  

= Chris Barber

= Houston

= 2.2 hours in Phase One testing

No virus = found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2741 / = Virus Database: 2616/5847 - Release Date: = 10/22/12

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