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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Here we go again....
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Having had coolant shoot out the spark plug hold like a small "ole =
Faithful" is something that makes your heart sink - having been there, =
myself,  I can emphasize with you, Chris.

  The good news is that this happened over home plate - having spent 6 =
weeks in the rotary no-man's land of Southwest Louisiana - I can tell =
you its even less fun when it happens away from home base. =20

Adel or similar clamps to keep hoses/wires away from spinning is cheap =
insurance - I use a lot of them.

Good luck in getting back in the air quickly.

Ed

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com



From: Chris Barber=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:10 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20
Subject: [FlyRotary] Here we go again....


<insert favorite string of expletives here>



Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be =
grateful.  I flew the other day, Friday,  and everything was great.  I =
was just flying over the airport after some modifications to test =
systems (replaced the front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with a small =
cylinder pressed into the hole with the O-ring around it to prevent it =
from slipping out...along with the silicone ring around the O-ring).  I =
was up about ten minutes and all my gages were well in the green and the =
engine seemed to be running solidly. I turned on down wind at about 1500 =
feet, looked down at my gages again and noticed my water and oil temps =
were both red with coolant temps at 260 degrees.  Damn.  Called for =
clearance to land as I reduced power.  Pegged my best landing and taxied =
back to the hangar without incident resulting in injury.



I only had time to remove the cowl and note that the cowl was wet but =
had to leave for the day.  I returned the next day and started it up =
with only a little difficulty and noted the radiator was not getting =
warm...thus concluded no flow.  I ordered a new water pump from =
Mazdatrix with expedited shipping and installed it. I figured the water =
pump was likely twenty years old and a new one would hurt. Just as I was =
buttoning it up and reinstalling the pulley on the new water pump I was =
moving the stainless water hose out of the way for the wrench and =
FINALLY saw the REAL problem.  The stainless steel water hose had =
shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft pulley and gouged two small holes =
allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere of greater Houston.



Sigh.  Ok, repaired the hose today.  Filled the system with new coolant =
(still has some in the radiator with is under the engine).  Ok, for =
those of you in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, I have =
been here before).  Finally, with much difficulty and a jump box the =
engine started...and ran well...but, after taking a few minutes to warm =
up, it jumped to about 200 degrees.  I shut down and as expected by now, =
steam came out of the tail pipe and I could hear the water boiling in =
the chambers.  Sigh again.  I pushed the plane into the hangar and =
pulled a plug, pulled the prop through and steam shot out of the plug =
hole.



Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did not seize and it kept running =
for a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these things (even if =
apparently do not know how to properly tie back a water hose as not to =
rub on a fast moving e-shaft pulley).  So, the tear down is inevitable.=20



Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't =
warp the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most =
certainly are warped....).



Just wanted to share.=20



Chris Barber

Houston

2.2 hours in Phase One testing

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Having had coolant shoot out the spark plug hold =
like a=20
small "ole Faithful" is something that makes your heart sink - having =
been=20
there, myself, &nbsp;I can emphasize with you, Chris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>&nbsp; The good news is that this happened over =
home plate=20
- having spent 6 weeks in the rotary no-man's land of Southwest =
Louisiana - I=20
can tell you its even less fun when it happens away from home =
base.&nbsp;=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Adel or similar clamps to keep hoses/wires away =
from=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Good luck in getting back in the air =
quickly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Edward L. Anderson<BR>Anderson Electronic =
Enterprises=20
LLC<BR>305 Reefton Road<BR>Weddington, NC 28104<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.andersonee.com">http://www.andersonee.com</A><BR><A=20
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=3Dcbarber@texasattorney.net=20
href=3D"mailto:cbarber@texasattorney.net">Chris Barber</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dflyrotary@lancaironline.net=20
href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net">Rotary motors in =
aircraft</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [FlyRotary] Here we go again....</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be=20
grateful.&nbsp; I flew the other day, Friday, &nbsp;and everything was=20
great.&nbsp; I was just flying over the airport after some modifications =
to test=20
systems (replaced the front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with a=20
small&nbsp;cylinder<A></A> pressed into the hole with the =
O-ring&nbsp;around it=20
to prevent it from slipping out...along with the silicone ring around =
the=20
O-ring).&nbsp; I was up about ten minutes and all my gages were well in =
the=20
green and the engine seemed to be running solidly. I turned on down wind =
at=20
about 1500 feet, looked down at my gages again and noticed my water and =
oil=20
temps were both red with coolant temps at 260 degrees.&nbsp; Damn.&nbsp; =
Called=20
for clearance to land as I reduced power.&nbsp; Pegged my best landing =
and=20
taxied back to the hangar without incident resulting in injury.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>I only had time to remove the cowl and&nbsp;note that the cowl was =
wet but=20
had to leave for the day.&nbsp; I returned the next day and started it =
up with=20
only a little difficulty&nbsp;and noted the radiator was not getting =
warm...thus=20
concluded no flow.&nbsp; I ordered a new water pump=20
from&nbsp;Mazdatrix<A></A><A></A><A></A> =
with&nbsp;expedited<A></A><A></A>=20
shipping and installed it.&nbsp;I figured the water pump was likely =
twenty years=20
old and a new one would hurt.&nbsp;Just as I was buttoning it up and=20
reinstalling the&nbsp;pulley<A></A><A></A> on the new water pump I was =
moving=20
the&nbsp;stainless<A></A><A></A> water hose out of the way for the=20
wrench&nbsp;and FINALLY saw the REAL problem.&nbsp; The stainless steel =
water=20
hose had shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft&nbsp;pulley<A></A><A></A> =
and=20
gouged two small holes allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere=20
of&nbsp;greater<A></A><A></A> Houston.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Sigh.&nbsp; Ok, repaired the hose today.&nbsp; Filled the system with =
new=20
coolant (still has some in the radiator with is under the engine).&nbsp; =
Ok, for=20
those of you in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, I have =
been here=20
before).&nbsp; Finally, with much difficulty and a jump box=20
the&nbsp;engine<A></A><A></A> started...and ran well...but, after taking =
a few=20
minutes to warm up, it jumped to about 200 degrees.&nbsp; I shut down =
and as=20
expected by now, steam came out of the tail pipe and I could hear the =
water=20
boiling in the chambers.&nbsp; Sigh again.&nbsp; I pushed the plane into =
the=20
hangar and pulled a plug, pulled the prop through and steam shot out of =
the plug=20
hole.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did =
not&nbsp;seize<A></A><A></A> and=20
it kept running for a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these =
things=20
(even if&nbsp;apparently<A></A><A></A> do not know how to properly tie =
back a=20
water hose as not to rub on a fast moving e-shaft =
pulley<A></A><A></A>).&nbsp;=20
So, the tear down is inevitable.&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I =
didn't warp=20
the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most certainly =
are=20
warped....).</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Just wanted to share. </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Chris Barber</P>
<P>Houston</P>
<P>2.2 hours in Phase One testing</P></DIV><A></A>
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