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From: Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
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I think persistence is my middle name. :-)

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Oct 24, 2012, at 20:00, "bktrub@aol.com<mailto:bktrub@aol.com>" <bktrub@=
aol.com<mailto:bktrub@aol.com>> wrote:

Chris,
You are very close to having your problems sorted out. Be persisent.
Brian Trubee

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From: "Chris Barber" <cbarber@texasattorney.net<mailto:cbarber@texasattorne=
y.net>>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net<mailto:flyrota=
ry@lancaironline.net>>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Here we go again....
Date: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:10 pm



<insert favorite string of expletives here>



Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be grateful.=
  I flew the other day, Friday,  and everything was great.  I was just flyi=
ng over the airport after some modifications to test systems (replaced the =
front cover o-ring AGAIN...this time with a small cylinder pressed into the=
 hole with the O-ring around it to prevent it from slipping out...along wit=
h the silicone ring around the O-ring).  I was up about ten minutes and all=
 my gages were well in the green and the engine seemed to be running solidl=
y. I turned on down wind at about 1500 feet, looked down at my gages again =
and noticed my water and oil temps were both red with coolant temps at 260 =
degrees.  Damn.  Called for clearance to land as I reduced power.  Pegged m=
y best landing and taxied back to the hangar without incident resulting in =
injury.



I only had time to remove the cowl and note that the cowl was wet but had t=
o leave for the day.  I returned the next day and started it up with only a=
 little difficulty and noted the radiator was not getting warm...thus concl=
uded no flow.  I ordered a new water pump from Mazdatrix with expedited shi=
pping and installed it. I figured the water pump was likely twenty years ol=
d and a new one would hurt. Just as I was buttoning it up and reinstalling =
the pulley on the new water pump I was moving the stainless water hose out =
of the way for the wrench and FINALLY saw the REAL problem.  The stainless =
steel water hose had shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft pulley and gouged=
 two small holes allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere of greater=
 Houston.



Sigh.  Ok, repaired the hose today.  Filled the system with new coolant (st=
ill has some in the radiator with is under the engine).  Ok, for those of y=
ou in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, I have been here before=
).  Finally, with much difficulty and a jump box the engine started...and r=
an well...but, after taking a few minutes to warm up, it jumped to about 20=
0 degrees.  I shut down and as expected by now, steam came out of the tail =
pipe and I could hear the water boiling in the chambers.  Sigh again.  I pu=
shed the plane into the hangar and pulled a plug, pulled the prop through a=
nd steam shot out of the plug hole.



Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did not seize and it kept running fo=
r a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild these things (even if appa=
rently do not know how to properly tie back a water hose as not to rub on a=
 fast moving e-shaft pulley).  So, the tear down is inevitable.



Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't warp=
 the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most certainly are =
warped....).



Just wanted to share.



Chris Barber

Houston

2.2 hours in Phase One testing

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<div>I think persistence is my middle name. :-)<br>
<br>
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You are very close to having your problems sorted out. Be persisent.<br>
Brian Trubee<br>
<br>
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone<br>
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From: &quot;Chris Barber&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cbarber@texasattorney.=
net">cbarber@texasattorney.net</a>&gt;<br>
To: &quot;Rotary motors in aircraft&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:flyrotary@l=
ancaironline.net">flyrotary@lancaironline.net</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Here we go again....<br>
Date: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:10 pm<br>
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<p>&lt;insert favorite string of&nbsp;expletives<a></a><a></a> here&gt;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Ok, to start this rant/post out, as annoyed as I am, I need to be gratef=
ul.&nbsp; I flew the other day, Friday, &nbsp;and everything was great.&nbs=
p; I was just flying over the airport after some modifications to test syst=
ems (replaced the front cover o-ring AGAIN...this
 time with a small&nbsp;cylinder<a></a> pressed into the hole with the O-ri=
ng&nbsp;around it to prevent it from slipping out...along with the silicone=
 ring around the O-ring).&nbsp; I was up about ten minutes and all my gages=
 were well in the green and the engine seemed to
 be running solidly. I turned on down wind at about 1500 feet, looked down =
at my gages again and noticed my water and oil temps were both red with coo=
lant temps at 260 degrees.&nbsp; Damn.&nbsp; Called for clearance to land a=
s I reduced power.&nbsp; Pegged my best landing
 and taxied back to the hangar without incident resulting in injury.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>I only had time to remove the cowl and&nbsp;note that the cowl was wet b=
ut had to leave for the day.&nbsp; I returned the next day and started it u=
p with only a little difficulty&nbsp;and noted the radiator was not getting=
 warm...thus concluded no flow.&nbsp; I ordered a new
 water pump from&nbsp;Mazdatrix<a></a><a></a><a></a> with&nbsp;expedited<a>=
</a><a></a> shipping and installed it.&nbsp;I figured the water pump was li=
kely twenty years old and a new one would hurt.&nbsp;Just as I was buttonin=
g it up and reinstalling the&nbsp;pulley<a></a><a></a> on
 the new water pump I was moving the&nbsp;stainless<a></a><a></a> water hos=
e out of the way for the wrench&nbsp;and FINALLY saw the REAL problem.&nbsp=
; The stainless steel water hose had shifted and rubbed up on the e-shaft&n=
bsp;pulley<a></a><a></a> and gouged two small holes
 allowing my coolant to blow into the atmosphere of&nbsp;greater<a></a><a><=
/a> Houston.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Sigh.&nbsp; Ok, repaired the hose today.&nbsp; Filled the system with ne=
w coolant (still has some in the radiator with is under the engine).&nbsp; =
Ok, for those of you in the know, you know it was hard to start (yes, I hav=
e been here before).&nbsp; Finally, with much difficulty
 and a jump box the&nbsp;engine<a></a><a></a> started...and ran well...but,=
 after taking a few minutes to warm up, it jumped to about 200 degrees.&nbs=
p; I shut down and as expected by now, steam came out of the tail pipe and =
I could hear the water boiling in the chambers.&nbsp;
 Sigh again.&nbsp; I pushed the plane into the hangar and pulled a plug, pu=
lled the prop through and steam shot out of the plug hole.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Ok, this sucks, but at least my engine did not&nbsp;seize<a></a><a></a> =
and it kept running for a normal landing AND, I do know how to rebuild thes=
e things (even if&nbsp;apparently<a></a><a></a> do not know how to properly=
 tie back a water hose as not to rub on a
 fast moving e-shaft pulley<a></a><a></a>).&nbsp; So, the tear down is inev=
itable.&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Hopefully the damage is limited to the O-rings.....gee I hope I didn't w=
arp the plates, I just cant afford that right now (so they most certainly a=
re warped....).</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Just wanted to share. </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Chris Barber</p>
<p>Houston</p>
<p>2.2 hours in Phase One testing</p>
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