X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.93] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c2) with SMTP id 5800733 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:26:40 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.93; envelope-from=echristley@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm23.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 14:26:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.84] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 14:26:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2012 14:26:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 351144.8113.bm@omp1021.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26008 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2012 14:26:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1349706364; bh=VxWmlC7/GTPb6Cqi5r36YBZ6kEXhyYrcc8YsUwKAkqo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=BFPS6s1MNC8PLpW/7HJ08mrwLPgUOa0mLmHFl8LUm04AOdNeGlDHaI3mKs5ehPQiVzb046Yk7L5rXu3grjG877Vcsa/xCed6bx36vIdrsXwUye8/ZEaQavW2iUnZl2cHPrtOKekWsxlZ7COYDgqf8Vt+X+aIlNrLOTt4VXbQxZI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TgTzrFkVM1lvVgC.n4RgxXLHWazgXXux3hy.ecwZLjexYSZ lTdu7c06ZMSg1h8ydS4qRDPftvT0t8lCnATHHBgIOVuU57BQw2_FNUzt6pWq 2fVnHkxfX10WZtsXz2zNRwfeQTgzcJBAHKfbQQI6FN_JzV65otwLvITmnIX0 vwEp_wbEmmWzr03BQqnzGym9qrdPS3RMCWjfGDtY8HcvXtfuR3y9CXuZwRlm df2ur0gORk5tGauxW15QrDEn9.nbqQk8FfX5XKaeDFcOw04VtKFSLWAuCm5u y.JuTdnCLTDxtYsnEr8oNZlfjvc3MaQr.MkhYsOdetCneki0xj2yeAQwg0Dm ZSD_XwgMU6lAfBZm8eMyPYZZlDrLQAAtyD5jqI5gu_sTnot9Q1zAJYsy2ibY 7Mey8mX6YUODCH1SDcUNQzTvQhOIas3Ep1rwk4TECYRw7UEke3tYkemzKCj8 CXNhPdqzfNqooUoHWegk2fTelDQCqLxEJ5tf00G1x_11XHik3ovZNgX7pDDy hdzWpYz3WFDZklpslTWds7yg8OGXms26gmtR4jbf6GQNc X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- Received: from [10.62.203.45] (echristley@216.240.30.4 with plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Oct 2012 07:26:03 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <5072E276.1000506@att.net> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:25:58 -0400 From: Ernest Chrisltey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] colder spark plugs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060406000103070506080309" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060406000103070506080309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10/06/2012 02:12 PM, Steven W. Boese wrote: > > David, > > Thank you for the compliment. > > I have installed a set of the -10 spark plugs and at this point they > are long past the time where the stock plugs normally needed to be > replaced. How long they will continue to work is unknown, but at > least that one data point is consistent with the study and encouraging. > Taking your anaylysis as correct, how does a colder plug help? I read the analysis as saying that carbon deposits build up and glow hot enough to ignite combustion early. If it is carbon deposits, will (should?) the heat range of the plug make a significant difference? http://www.totallyamaha.com/snowmobiles/aaTECH/sparkplug/Spark Plug Information Overview.htm This page indicates that the plug tip needs to stay between 500*C-800*C. Any hotter, and you risk me melting the electrode or blistering the ceramic insulator. That would account for the "bubbly" appearance to the electrode in the pictures you posted earlier. An electrode developing bubbles would become an increasingly better insulator, and trap more heat at the tip. Once it traps enough heat to start SAG, the combustion heat drops (due to SAG), and further melting ceases. The negative feedback will stop the phenomena from becoming catastrophic, as long as you have enough runway to clear the trees. I propose a modification to your theory. The pre-ignition is caused by mechanical changes within the electrode of the sparkplug itself, instead of a carbon deposit. The changes increase the thermal insulation of the plug tip. The test for the correctness of this modification to the theory would be to insulate or heat a new, normal heat range plug in some way. Verify SAG occurs. If I am correct, wrapping the porcelain of a plug with nichrome wire connected to a variable power supply would allow you to create SAG on demand. The significance of this modification is that cleaning the plugs to remove deposits would be pointless. But it might be possible to use the cheaper plugs with a heat sink to make them last. > Rather than purchasing the expensive thin walled socket, a tool was > made to enlarge the spark plug well in the housing so a conventional > socket could be used. While not elegant, this was done with the > engine in the plane and involved minimal expense. > > I've chucked a cheap socket in the lathe and turned it down to make thin-walled sockets. --------------060406000103070506080309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 10/06/2012 02:12 PM, Steven W. Boese wrote:

David,

 

Thank you for the compliment.

 

I have installed a set of the -10 spark plugs and at this point they are long past the time where the stock plugs normally needed to be replaced.  How long they will continue to work is unknown, but at least that one data point is consistent with the study and encouraging.


Taking your anaylysis as correct, how does a colder plug help?  I read the analysis as saying that carbon deposits build up and glow hot enough to ignite combustion early.  If it is carbon deposits, will (should?) the heat range of the plug make a significant difference?

http://www.totallyamaha.com/snowmobiles/aaTECH/sparkplug/Spark Plug Information  Overview.htm

This page indicates that the plug tip needs to stay between 500*C-800*C.  Any hotter, and you risk me melting the electrode or blistering the ceramic insulator.  That would account for the "bubbly" appearance to the electrode in the pictures you posted earlier.  An electrode developing bubbles would become an increasingly better insulator, and trap more heat at the tip.  Once it traps enough heat to start SAG, the combustion heat drops (due to SAG), and further melting ceases.  The negative feedback will stop the phenomena from becoming catastrophic, as long as you have enough runway to clear the trees.

I propose a modification to your theory.  The pre-ignition is caused by mechanical changes within the electrode of the sparkplug itself, instead of a carbon deposit.  The changes increase the thermal insulation of the plug tip. 

The test for the correctness of this modification to the theory would be to insulate or heat a new, normal heat range plug in some way.  Verify SAG occurs.  If I am correct, wrapping the porcelain of a plug with nichrome wire connected to a variable power supply would allow you to create SAG on demand.  The significance of this modification is that cleaning the plugs to remove deposits would be pointless.  But it might be possible to use the cheaper plugs with a heat sink to make them last.

 

Rather than purchasing the expensive thin walled socket, a tool was made to enlarge the spark plug well in the housing so a conventional socket could be used.  While not elegant, this was done with the engine in the plane and involved minimal expense.

 


I've chucked a cheap socket in the lathe and turned it down to make thin-walled sockets.
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