Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #58760
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: "O" rings?? was: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil leaking from between plates
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 07:17:07 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sounds like progress, Ernest.

However, I'm not certain the equation of oil spitting to power.  The oil pressure should remain fairly constant from 2000- above rpm.  Unless you are referring to perhaps the plates flexing more due to the increased power?

I think re-torquing the bolts would be the first step - who knows that might fix the problem.

I presume you did place the "O" rings over the alignment  "tubes" between the plates that carry the oil when you assembled the engine?

Ed

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From: "Ernest Christley" <echristley@att.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:36 PM
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil leaking from between plates

Well, it has been a little more than a year (or three), and I only torqued it once then.  I'm going to go the route that there isn't enough pressure holding the plates together.

On a better note, the engine is spitting oil out the sides because it is making more power.  As I've been learning to twist the right Megatune knobs, I've had to back up, reconfigure and then retune multiple times. But I've finally got it running smooth from an idle of 1500 to 5460.

Oh, and I got one of my wings put on today!!!




Lehanover@aol.com wrote:

The case bolts are like thick rubber bands that stretch a long way when
tightened. The object is to stretch them just into their working range when
torquing them up. Once torqued they hold that clamping power for a few
months,  then they relax just a hint. So to find a bolt that is still at full
torque a  year or a half a year later is almost impossible.

You discover that the bolts seem to be very tight if you attempt to add
torque. Not the case (pun). The torque load has stuck the bolt at the head
contact surface and the thread contact area. There is a word for this factor,
but I forgot it. So the proper procedure is to unscrew the bolt a full
turn. The  idea that the torque is to be done with "Dry" threads is a bit
hopeful. Some  lubrication was there from running, less than perfect cleaning or
just touching  the threaded end with your hands. So the torque on each bolt
is actually  different to start with.

So, if you want to see what the torque was approximately, mark a corner of
the bolt head with a dot. Mark the case next to that dot. Unscrew the bolt
a  full turn with a breaker bar. Not a torque wrench.

Set the (Clicker style) torque wrench to the torque you expect to  find.
Mark the socket right over the corner of the case bolt with the dot.

In one smooth motion with no stops, crank the mark on the socket around
until the mark on the iron lines up. You may find the click before that so
just  stop at the click. Or, you may not find a click so you just keep turning
until  the click. You may find that all of the bolts need to turn a bit
further to pull  the same torque. Or all of them stop before the marks line up.

I use Nickel anti seize on the threads and under the heads and torque to
the smaller of the torque range numbers. I torque the case bolts 6 times on
the  day of the build, then again the next day. I always find a few unhappy
bolts the next day. You may loose a bolt now and then doing it my  way, so
keep a few spares on hand.

If you are turning a bolt and it is not gaining torque, stop turning it a
discard it.

Whatever method you use, do the torque pattern 6 times. You will be
surprised how many bolts keep turning as the stack settles down to dead flat.

The irons are just not all that stiff. If it is holding torque the stack
will keep a warped iron flat enough to run. So the engine may finish the race
with all the irons junk and warped to junk status. So a leak from a warped
iron  is less likely.

Will retorquing the stack stop the leak? Maybe....................

Lynn E. Hanover



message dated 8/17/2012 11:41:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
echristley@att.net writes:

I have a  very slow oil leak, and I think I've traced it to originating at
the joint  between the rear rotor housing and
rear side plate.  I'd rather not  open the engine up to apply sealant, but
it is half a day's work to  disassemble
everything down to the point I can get a torque wrench on the  case bolts.
I'm conflicted on if I should go ahead and
break the case  open if I'm down that far already.

How likely is that the seeping oil  can be solved by re-torquing the case
bolts?  If the torque is correct,  is it likely
that the end plate is warped?

Would a good plan be to  check the torque, and only continue disassembly if
there is no movement?   That is assume that if
it is torque properly it must be a warped plate or  missing sealant, but if
the torque is low bringing it up to spec will
solve  the leak.


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