X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5690258 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 14:13:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.91.95; envelope-from=CozyGirrrl@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q72ICu9N007542 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:12:56 -0400 Received: from core-dsb002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsb002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.5]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 87046E00008F for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:12:56 -0400 (EDT) From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flame detector To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db17.364cd0a3.3d4c1d27_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [69.154.218.232] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1343931176; bh=S2gd97ZioZidB8FBIY/PV557Un5Bxtt6pIcmOPMj0zw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GL8liXcZegO4zrcXJpmVJ9B1lOBz7LhsLPcvaP05OHsjIxSRP4Dpp8rwXhUsKc/Va FUmVWDN3tW/fo+iT1NSowcHV84KO35vLgLMRUDjjCgqG8QdbsoH9oT9PjIEYXlVpW9 rrDTp5hzuAl+cBxm8EEw+8katOqrz/FXBLudasxA= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:498722656:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2948501ac3281b0b --part1_db17.364cd0a3.3d4c1d27_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, is this to say that even the glowing turbo header would not set one of the newer ones off? Chrissi & Randi _www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/) ClickBonds 10/$7.50 CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 8/2/2012 10:24:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, david.staten@gmail.com writes: Its a Ultraviolet spectrum detector that detects signatures that are unique to arcs and combustion. Infrared heat signatures aren't the trigger. Some of the later generation ones have both UV and Infrared to crosscheck each other, but the key trigger is UV light from combustion. These same detectors are used in chemical plants as fire detectors, and the older ones can be falsely triggered by welders arcs. I took a bath once in my younger days when a welder's arc set off the fire suppression/deluge system in the unit in which we were working. Dave On 8/2/2012 8:34 AM, Chris Barber wrote: Also, it was impressive how it's response focused on flame and not just heat, however, do we know how it responds to a glowing exhaust? Sent from my iPhone 4 On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Mark Steitle" <_msteitle@gmail.com_ (mailto:msteitle@gmail.com) > wrote: Years ago there was an engine fire in a 20B pusher (Velocity??) that was due to a burst oil cooler. He actually blew up two coolers (same make/model), then switched to a certified engine. I don't recall his name, but he was alerted to the fire by ATC. Mark S. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM, John Slade <_jslade@canardaviation.com_ (mailto:jslade@canardaviation.com) > wrote: Thanks for caring, Chris. No. Not me. I've never heard of the guy - Don Black??? I wonder what caused the fire. Oil or fuel leak? Regards John On 8/1/2012 9:29 PM, Chris Barber wrote: When I first heard I fears it was John Slade but have been assured it was not. No less tragic tho. I heard it was his sixth flight from a couple of sources. Someone posted the registered name but I did not immeadeatly recognize it. I had one fear it was me. Not me yet yikes. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Kelly Troyer" <_keltro@gmail.com_ (mailto:keltro@gmail.com) > wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mark Steitle <_msteitle@gmail.com_ (mailto:msteitle@gmail.com) > wrote: Chris, Yes, that was me that brought and demonstrated the IR fire detector. I had it mounted in a metal project box on the hot side of my engine, but it failed shortly thereafter. My guess is the UVtron photo tube failed. Replacement sensors were $28/ea at the time, so it has been sitting on the shelf waiting for some time to mess with it again. Since I experimented with the first one, the design has been upgraded and the old model is no longer available. You can purchase the whole kit for $89 at _http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R345-UVTRON-PKG.html_ (http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R345-UVTRON-PKG.html) . Just mount it in a robust box with a hole facing the engine and wire it to 12 - 24 volts. You'll want to put an LED on the panel to warn you in case of fire. Mark S. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Chris Barber <_cbarber@texasattorney.net_ (mailto:cbarber@texasattorney.net) > wrote: Several years ago at the rotary get together in Pecan Gove south of Ft Worth, Texas a flame detector was demonstrated. Does anyone remember this and have any info on it? The demo was impressive and I would hope/think the technology has improved and is available. With the recent fire in a turbo rosary canard a few days ago it got me comptemplating such matters again. Especially in a pusher. Thanks. Chris Barber Houston Velocity 13b Turbo Phase One Testing. Sent from my iPhone 4 -- Homepage: _http://www.flyrotary.com/_ (http://www.flyrotary.com/) Archive and UnSub: _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html_ (http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html) Chris, Who had a fire with their Turbo/Rotary Canard ??..............Part of our little group ??............. -- Kelly Troyer --part1_db17.364cd0a3.3d4c1d27_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave, is this to say that even the glowing turbo header would not set = one=20 of the newer ones off?
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi

www.CozyGirrrl.com
ClickB= onds=20 10/$7.50
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun= =20 Engine Workshop
 
In a message dated 8/2/2012 10:24:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 david.staten@gmail.com writes:
=
Its a Ultraviolet spectrum detector that det= ects=20 signatures that are unique to arcs and combustion. Infrared heat signatur= es=20 aren't the trigger. Some of the later generation ones have both UV and=20 Infrared to crosscheck each other, but the key trigger is UV light from= =20 combustion.


 These same detectors are used in chemical p= lants=20 as fire detectors, and the older ones can be falsely triggered by welders= =20 arcs. I took a bath once in my younger days when a welder's arc set off t= he=20 fire suppression/deluge system in the unit in which we were working.=20

Dave

On 8/2/2012 8:34 AM, Chris Barber wrote:
Also, it was impressive how it's response focused on flame and not= just=20 heat, however, do we know how it responds to a glowing exhaust?

= Sent=20 from my iPhone 4

On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Mark Steitle" <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

Years ago there was an engine fire in a 20B pusher (Velocity??) = that=20 was due to a burst oil cooler.  He actually blew up two coolers = (same=20 make/model), then switched to a certified engine.  I don't recal= l his=20 name, but he was alerted to the fire by ATC.=20

Mark S.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM, John Slade <= SPAN=20 dir=3Dltr><jslade@canardaviation.com> wro= te:
Thanks for caring, Chris.
No. Not me.
I've never heard o= f the=20 guy - Don Black???
I wonder what caused the fire. Oil or fuel=20 leak?
Regards
John

On 8/1/2012 9:29 PM, Chris Barber= =20 wrote:
When I first heard I fears it was John Slade but have been= =20 assured it was not. No less tragic tho. I heard it was his sixth= =20 flight from a couple of sources. Someone posted the registered na= me=20 but I did not immeadeatly recognize it. I had one fear it was me.= Not=20 me yet yikes. 


Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Kelly Troyer" <keltro@gmail.com>= =20 wrote:


   

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mark = Steitle=20 <msteitle@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Chris, =20

Yes, that was me that brought and demonstrated the IR fi= re=20 detector.  I had it mounted in a metal project box on th= e hot=20 side of my engine, but it failed shortly thereafter.  My= =20 guess is the UVtron photo tube failed.  Replacement sens= ors=20 were $28/ea at the time, so it has been sitting on the shelf= =20 waiting for some time to mess with it again.  

Since I experimented with the first one, the design has = been=20 upgraded and the old model is no longer available.  You = can=20 purchase the whole kit for $89 at  http://www.acroname.com/robotics/par= ts/R345-UVTRON-PKG.html .=20  Just mount it in a robust box with a hole facing the en= gine=20 and wire it to 12 - 24 volts.  You'll want to put an LED= on=20 the panel to warn you in case of fire.  

Mark S.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Chr= is=20 Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>=20 wrote:
Several=20 years ago at the rotary get together in Pecan Gove south of= Ft=20 Worth, Texas a flame detector was demonstrated. Does anyone= =20 remember this and have any info on it?  The demo was= =20 impressive and I would hope/think the technology has improv= ed=20 and is available.

With the recent fire in a turbo ro= sary=20 canard a few days ago it got me comptemplating such matters= =20 again. Especially in a pusher.

Thanks.

Chris= =20 Barber
Houston
Velocity 13b Turbo
Phase One=20 Testing.

Sent from my iPhone 4<= FONT=20 color=3D#888888>
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