X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw0-f52.google.com ([209.85.213.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTPS id 5689671 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:50:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.52; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by yhpp61 with SMTP id p61so7745742yhp.25 for ; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:50:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=V1AZzWhgRgRPCKvc1bZQabrLiDt9Tu3pP9JSTBR7TdA=; b=aO0/SUJh8jqxKDXc/K64+LGpH4trrRt2I1WkUCBsdt0QR5SLy6gGB97EFb7achjSlj /d3iiZYzu/KSQBfjW4PSsLhxF49vJlPQcdw9Jim2sjy7AGXXY5UvEYcO7yTZgitsMjea ifNbAAe28kmV/FOycpb5mFB11zZGbSJ+9hT7AuAPeYUGvqIsvqwQHDQYKaUx2umTOCbj Y1jj7UEHrL1KnkRrCiDWcVIAQen0OphCRsOG0RMPdxYPtZ+7J/UTe8CM51EOuxfByFJ5 xeARQOj0tsBGWDAGvNTOszBVzVd22zQONlHu9A3kLGw1vRE+ldxx4rGEE74jJLa9pkeY Wesw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.75.201 with SMTP id e9mr43388024paw.54.1343915407019; Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.162.5 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 06:50:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:50:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flame detector From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042ef607718f6f04c648b074 --f46d042ef607718f6f04c648b074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You could insulate the box, and/or supply it with a cool air supply. On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Chris Barber wrote: > It looks as if the high temp rating of the flame detector is below what > internal cowl temperatures would be. How is this dealt with? > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Mark Steitle" wrote: > > Years ago there was an engine fire in a 20B pusher (Velocity??) that > was due to a burst oil cooler. He actually blew up two coolers (same > make/model), then switched to a certified engine. I don't recall his name, > but he was alerted to the fire by ATC. > > Mark S. > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM, John Slade wrote: > >> Thanks for caring, Chris. >> No. Not me. >> I've never heard of the guy - Don Black??? >> I wonder what caused the fire. Oil or fuel leak? >> Regards >> John >> >> On 8/1/2012 9:29 PM, Chris Barber wrote: >> >> When I first heard I fears it was John Slade but have been assured it was >> not. No less tragic tho. I heard it was his sixth flight from a couple of >> sources. Someone posted the registered name but I did not immeadeatly >> recognize it. I had one fear it was me. Not me yet yikes. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4 >> >> On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Kelly Troyer" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mark Steitle wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> >>> Yes, that was me that brought and demonstrated the IR fire detector. >>> I had it mounted in a metal project box on the hot side of my engine, but >>> it failed shortly thereafter. My guess is the UVtron photo tube failed. >>> Replacement sensors were $28/ea at the time, so it has been sitting on the >>> shelf waiting for some time to mess with it again. >>> >>> Since I experimented with the first one, the design has been upgraded >>> and the old model is no longer available. You can purchase the whole kit >>> for $89 at http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R345-UVTRON-PKG.html . >>> Just mount it in a robust box with a hole facing the engine and wire it to >>> 12 - 24 volts. You'll want to put an LED on the panel to warn you in case >>> of fire. >>> >>> Mark S. >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Chris Barber >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Several years ago at the rotary get together in Pecan Gove south of Ft >>>> Worth, Texas a flame detector was demonstrated. Does anyone remember this >>>> and have any info on it? The demo was impressive and I would hope/think >>>> the technology has improved and is available. >>>> >>>> With the recent fire in a turbo rosary canard a few days ago it got me >>>> comptemplating such matters again. Especially in a pusher. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Chris Barber >>>> Houston >>>> Velocity 13b Turbo >>>> Phase One Testing. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 4 >>>> -- >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive and UnSub: >>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>> >>> >>> Chris, >> Who had a fire with their Turbo/Rotary Canard ??..............Part of >> our little group ??............. >> >> >> -- >> Kelly Troyer >> >> >> > --f46d042ef607718f6f04c648b074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could insulate the box, and/or supply it with a cool air supply.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:
It looks as if the high temp rating of the flame detector is below wha= t internal cowl temperatures would be. How is this dealt with?

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 2, 2012, at 7:16 AM, "Mark Steitle" <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

Years ago there was an engine fire in a 20B pusher (Velocity??) that w= as due to a burst oil cooler. =A0He actually blew up two coolers (same make= /model), then switched to a certified engine. =A0I don't recall his nam= e, but he was alerted to the fire by ATC.

Mark S.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM, John Slade <jslade@c= anardaviation.com> wrote:
Thanks for caring, Chris.
No. Not me.
I've never heard of the guy - Don Black???
I wonder what caused the fire. Oil or fuel leak?
Regards
John

On 8/1/2012 9:29 PM, Chris Barber wrote:
When I first heard I fears it was John Slade but have been assured it = was not. No less tragic tho. I heard it was his sixth flight from a couple = of sources. Someone posted the registered name but I did not immeadeatly re= cognize it. I had one fear it was me. Not me yet yikes.=A0


Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:49 PM, "Kelly Troyer" <keltro@gmail.com> wrote:


=A0 =A0

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.= com> wrote:
Chris,=A0

Yes, that was me that brought and demonstrated the IR fire detector. = =A0I had it mounted in a metal project box on the hot side of my engine, bu= t it failed shortly thereafter. =A0My guess is the UVtron photo tube failed= . =A0Replacement sensors were $28/ea at the time, so it has been sitting on the shelf waiting for some time to mes= s with it again. =A0

Since I experimented with the first one, the design has been upgraded = and the old model is no longer available. =A0You can purchase the whole kit= for $89 at=A0 http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R345-UVTRON-PKG.html=A0. =A0Just= mount it in a robust box with a hole facing the engine and wire it to 12 -= 24 volts. =A0You'll want to put an LED on the panel to warn you in cas= e of fire. =A0

Mark S.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber@= texasattorney.net> wrote:
Several years ago at the rotary get together in Pecan Gove south of Ft Wort= h, Texas a flame detector was demonstrated. Does anyone remember this and h= ave any info on it? =A0The demo was impressive and I would hope/think the t= echnology has improved and is available.

With the recent fire in a turbo rosary canard a few days ago it got me comp= templating such matters again. Especially in a pusher.

Thanks.

Chris Barber
Houston
Velocity 13b Turbo
Phase One Testing.

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Chris,
=A0 Who had a fire with their Turbo/Rotary Canard ??..............Part= of our little group ??.............


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