X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com ([209.85.214.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with ESMTPS id 5623439 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:36:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.180; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by obbuo19 with SMTP id uo19so4527850obb.25 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:36:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MNLymObkx0u+JwKvndZbj+sfQsPqqqkV+fhmuHmlX4g=; b=a9l5+eLO6gFh9Sm65JCt8Okpee7/rt+OtEkvUSYXYsZcwv8cpHpIA/2LvNAmvatzur kEhYr2OD8gRLfNfuAG7qtfqRTqbWd7V+92XqgYBruPYjNr7hqFZ1+nF/nItK+as+2ueN qwGrAKcak9hpbpt5EK7XvreEB2rPTJYbDqD6tHPggmgQ8lvy7MGMvmAPO690KIj4/dV1 2Xx0wapw56B9AZ3pVJJDiTS6EK9kcpUqAAeKmLQmfyXJlrCPVQQw/QuI1+hIwKYi1Wk+ hvdZlT65pzNsrGg068jMvB1N5GC+dEz4Ibp7iKXvy90znBPGqj+uIs/VY510iCAsA7eL cjbA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.29.137 with SMTP id k9mr9469404oeh.23.1340555767423; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.28.70 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:36:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One rotary down and out From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb202d451a49204c33a7666 --e89a8fb202d451a49204c33a7666 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeff, Be glad your ship is not a "Belch-Fire Scorcher" that lands at 100 mph !!..............<:)............Will be interested to hear if engine actually failed from lack of oil (Locked up) or lack of fuel..................... Kelly Troyer On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Jeff Whaley wrote: > Yes, the engine quit monentarily (.5-1 Sec) when I cycled the pump > select-switch. Engine was running just fine with all temperatures normal, > 5600 rpm at 21-22" mp; was airborn approximately 12 minutes before I cycled > the pump. > > I thought I smelled fuel because original issue was fuel pump but it was > likely the hot oil instead ... the oil definetly came out in-flight. > > The connector was a push-on type, "Aeroquip-socketless" fittings with blue > hose; bought from Summit I can't find original receipts. > > The airplane was a Wag-Aero 2+2, high-wing, rag and tube. > > > > Jeff > > > > From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: > One rotary down and out Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:32:56 -0500 To: Rotary > motors in aircraft [image: Message Header] > > [image: Undecoded Message] > Jeff, > Again "Good Flying" and thankfully you just Shaken up..............Sounds > like push on hose was a secondary failure > like you said or perhaps a result of the crash (Oil on the belly would > have had to happen in the air though)............. > The 13B quit when you shut off one fuel pump but resumed running when > switched back on (is that correct) for > another couple of minutes after you smelled fuel and it quit for > good............Will be interesting what failure you may > find in the fuel system...............Again thankful you are > OK.............. > Kelly Troyer > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jeff Whaley > *Sent:* June 24, 2012 6:52 AM > > *To:* 'Rotary motors in aircraft' > *Subject:* One rotary down and out > > Sorry to post bad news guys but need to share this with you form a > safety perspective. > > > > Anyway what happened ... engine failure, prop stopped went into a corn > field and flipped over. > I have 2 fuel pumps; decided to turn 1 off, when I did the engine quit - > pump back on okay - repeated same result. > 5 miles from home base I headed back, radioed inbound, 1 minute later I > thought I smelled fuel and another 1 minute later the engine quit. Trimmed > the airplane, mayday and glided straight ahead. Lots of corn and a few soya > bean fields around but didn't want to land in them, saw a gravel road and > turned to line up on it, pulled on full flaps for minimum landing speed, > when I turned final there was a huge elm tree on the right edge at my > expected touch down point, so at 100' I turned left into the field which > was corn ... everything was going great until I hit the corn. Thankfully > the seats belts and shoulder harnesses did their job; upside down I > released the belts and got out of there fast. > > > > Walked out, phoned police and after they arrived authorities wanted the > ELT shut off so we walked back to the airplane; when I got there I saw oil > all over the bottom of fuselage. Checked engine and found the oil-out line > (push-lock connector) hanging loose. I expect what happened is when the > engine quit and restarted those 2 times that sent a burst of oil pressure > and blew the hose off ... I pushed it back on and it would not pull back > off again. I had heard some guys were putting heat shrink or other back-up > systems on these connectors; I wish now I had used a simple stainless worm > clamp. Engine and redrive will be toast, airplane is substantially damaged > ... I'll salvage what I can. > Jeff > This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the > addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any > unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our > internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. > -- Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 --e89a8fb202d451a49204c33a7666 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,
=A0
=A0 Be glad your ship is not a "Belch-Fire Scorcher" that la= nds at 100 mph !!..............<:)............Will be interested to
hear if engine actually failed from lack of oil (Locked up) or lack of= fuel.....................=A0
=A0
Kelly Troyer=A0

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com> wrote:

Yes, the engine quit monentarily (.5-1 Sec) when I cycled the pump selec= t-switch.=A0 Engine was running just fine with all temperatures normal, 560= 0 rpm at 21-22" mp; was airborn approximately 12 minutes before I cycl= ed the pump.

I thought I smelled fuel because original issue was fuel pump but it was= likely the hot oil instead ... the oil definetly came out in-flight.

The connector was a push-on type,=A0"Aeroquip-socketless" fitt= ings with blue hose;=A0bought from Summit I can't find original receipt= s.

The airplane was a Wag-Aero 2+2, high-wing, rag and tube.=A0

=A0

Jeff

=A0

From: Kelly Troyer <= keltro@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One rotary down and out
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:32:56 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Jeff,
Again "Good Flying" and thankfully you just Shaken up.......= .......Sounds like push on hose was a secondary failure
like you said or perhaps a result of the crash (Oil on the belly would= have had to happen in the air though).............
The 13B quit when you shut off one fuel pump but resumed running when = switched back on (is that correct) for
another couple of minutes after you smelled fuel and it quit for good.= ...........Will be interesting what failure you may
find in the fuel system...............Again thankful you are OK.......= .......
Kelly Troyer

Fro= m: Jeff Whaley
Sent: June 24, 2012 6:52 AM=20

To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'
Subject: One rotary down and out

Sorry to post bad news guys but need to share this with you form a safet= y perspective.

=A0

Anyway what happened ... engine failure, prop stopped went into a corn f= ield and flipped over.
I have 2 fuel pumps; decided to turn 1 off, when = I did the engine quit - pump back on okay - repeated same result.
5 mile= s from home base=A0I headed back, radioed inbound, 1 minute later I thought= I smelled fuel and another 1 minute later the engine quit. Trimmed the air= plane, mayday and glided straight ahead. Lots of corn and a few soya bean f= ields around but didn't want to land in them, saw a gravel road and tur= ned to line up on it, pulled on full flaps for minimum landing speed, when = I turned final there was a huge elm tree on the right edge at my expected t= ouch down point, so at 100' I turned left into the field which was corn= ... everything was going great until I hit the corn.=A0=A0Thankfully the s= eats belts and shoulder harnesses did their job; upside down I released the= belts and got out of there fast.

=A0

Walked out, phoned police and after they arrived authorities wanted the = ELT shut off so we walked back to the airplane; when I got there I saw oil = all over the bottom of fuselage. Checked engine and found the oil-out line = (push-lock connector) hanging loose. I expect what happened is when the eng= ine quit and restarted those 2 times that sent a burst of oil pressure and = blew the hose off ... I pushed it back on and it would not pull back off ag= ain. I had heard some guys were putting heat shrink or other back-up system= s on these connectors; I wish now I had used a simple stainless worm clamp.= =A0Engine and redrive will be toast, airplane is substantially damaged ...= I'll salvage what I can.
Jeff

This message, and the documents attached hereto, is inten= ded only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential infor= mation. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have rec= eived this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may co= rrect our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank = you.



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Kelly Troyer
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