X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from hub026-NJ-7.exch026.serverdata.net ([206.225.166.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with ESMTPS id 5623447 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:27:02 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.225.166.170; envelope-from=jwhaley@datacast.com Received: from MBX026-E1-NJ-6.exch026.domain.local ([10.240.14.56]) by HUB026-NJ-7.exch026.domain.local ([10.240.14.233]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:26:26 -0700 From: Jeff Whaley To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' Subject: RE: One rotary down and out Thread-Topic: One rotary down and out Thread-Index: Ac1R9jarWROpEBJ2R/u9vwl9Nir5zQALgEWa Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:26:26 +0000 Message-ID: <234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AF4FA2A@mbx026-e1-nj-6.exch026.domain.local> References: <234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AF4EA18@mbx026-e1-nj-6.exch026.domain.local> In-Reply-To: <234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AF4EA18@mbx026-e1-nj-6.exch026.domain.local> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-CA X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [204.237.113.64] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AF4FA2Ambx026e1nj6exch02_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AF4FA2Ambx026e1nj6exch02_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, the engine quit monentarily (.5-1 Sec) when I cycled the pump select-s= witch. Engine was running just fine with all temperatures normal, 5600 rpm= at 21-22" mp; was airborn approximately 12 minutes before I cycled the pum= p. I thought I smelled fuel because original issue was fuel pump but it was li= kely the hot oil instead ... the oil definetly came out in-flight. The connector was a push-on type, "Aeroquip-socketless" fittings with blue = hose; bought from Summit I can't find original receipts. The airplane was a Wag-Aero 2+2, high-wing, rag and tube. Jeff From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One rotary down and out Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:32:56 -0500 To: Rotary motors in aircraft [Message Header] [Undecoded Message] Jeff, Again "Good Flying" and thankfully you just Shaken up..............Sounds l= ike push on hose was a secondary failure like you said or perhaps a result of the crash (Oil on the belly would have= had to happen in the air though)............. The 13B quit when you shut off one fuel pump but resumed running when switc= hed back on (is that correct) for another couple of minutes after you smelled fuel and it quit for good......= ......Will be interesting what failure you may find in the fuel system...............Again thankful you are OK............= .. Kelly Troyer ________________________________ From: Jeff Whaley Sent: June 24, 2012 6:52 AM To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' Subject: One rotary down and out Sorry to post bad news guys but need to share this with you form a safety p= erspective. Anyway what happened ... engine failure, prop stopped went into a corn fiel= d and flipped over. I have 2 fuel pumps; decided to turn 1 off, when I did the engine quit - pu= mp back on okay - repeated same result. 5 miles from home base I headed back, radioed inbound, 1 minute later I tho= ught I smelled fuel and another 1 minute later the engine quit. Trimmed the= airplane, mayday and glided straight ahead. Lots of corn and a few soya be= an fields around but didn't want to land in them, saw a gravel road and tur= ned to line up on it, pulled on full flaps for minimum landing speed, when = I turned final there was a huge elm tree on the right edge at my expected t= ouch down point, so at 100' I turned left into the field which was corn ...= everything was going great until I hit the corn. Thankfully the seats bel= ts and shoulder harnesses did their job; upside down I released the belts a= nd got out of there fast. Walked out, phoned police and after they arrived authorities wanted the ELT= shut off so we walked back to the airplane; when I got there I saw oil all= over the bottom of fuselage. Checked engine and found the oil-out line (pu= sh-lock connector) hanging loose. I expect what happened is when the engine= quit and restarted those 2 times that sent a burst of oil pressure and ble= w the hose off ... I pushed it back on and it would not pull back off again= . I had heard some guys were putting heat shrink or other back-up systems o= n these connectors; I wish now I had used a simple stainless worm clamp. E= ngine and redrive will be toast, airplane is substantially damaged ... I'll= salvage what I can. Jeff This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the a= ddressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauth= orized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message= in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal= records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. --_000_234B758DE9A64449BEB6BB5D1345CA7AF4FA2Ambx026e1nj6exch02_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, the engine quit monentarily (.5-1 Sec) when I cycled the pump selec= t-switch.  Engine was running just fine with all temperatures normal, = 5600 rpm at 21-22" mp; was airborn approximately 12 minutes before I c= ycled the pump.

I thought I smelled fuel because original issue was fuel pump but it was= likely the hot oil instead ... the oil definetly came out in-flight.

The connector was a push-on type, "Aeroquip-socketless" f= ittings with blue hose; bought from Summit I can't find original recei= pts.

The airplane was a Wag-Aero 2+2, high-wing, rag and tube. 

 

Jeff

 

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: One rotary down and out
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:32:56 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancair= online.net>
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Jeff,
Again "Good Flying" and thankfully you just Shaken up.......= .......Sounds like push on hose was a secondary failure
like you said or perhaps a result of the crash (Oil on the belly would= have had to happen in the air though).............
The 13B quit when you shut off one fuel pump but resumed running when = switched back on (is that correct) for
another couple of minutes after you smelled fuel and it quit for good.= ...........Will be interesting what failure you may
find in the fuel system...............Again thankful you are OK.......= .......
Kelly Troyer

From: Jeff Whaley
Sent: June 24, 2012 6:52 AM
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'
Subject: One rotary down and out

Sorry to post bad news guys but need to share this with you form a safet= y perspective.

 

Anyway what happened ... engine failure, prop stopped went into a corn f= ield and flipped over.
I have 2 fuel pumps; decided to turn 1 off, when I did the engine quit - pu= mp back on okay - repeated same result.
5 miles from home base I headed back, radioed inbound, 1 minute later = I thought I smelled fuel and another 1 minute later the engine quit. Trimme= d the airplane, mayday and glided straight ahead. Lots of corn and a few so= ya bean fields around but didn't want to land in them, saw a gravel road and turned to line up on it, pulled on = full flaps for minimum landing speed, when I turned final there was a huge = elm tree on the right edge at my expected touch down point, so at 100' I tu= rned left into the field which was corn ... everything was going great until I hit the corn.  Thank= fully the seats belts and shoulder harnesses did their job; upside down I r= eleased the belts and got out of there fast.

 

Walked out, phoned police and after they arrived authorities wanted the = ELT shut off so we walked back to the airplane; when I got there I saw oil = all over the bottom of fuselage. Checked engine and found the oil-out line = (push-lock connector) hanging loose. I expect what happened is when the engine quit and restarted those 2 times= that sent a burst of oil pressure and blew the hose off ... I pushed it ba= ck on and it would not pull back off again. I had heard some guys were putt= ing heat shrink or other back-up systems on these connectors; I wish now I had used a simple stainless worm= clamp.  Engine and redrive will be toast, airplane is substantially d= amaged ... I'll salvage what I can.
Jeff

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