X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-yi0-f52.google.com ([209.85.218.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTPS id 5124698 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:44:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.52; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by yie13 with SMTP id 13so3087144yie.25 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=LSUNy/lksy6yabZ0taEfC88O2Hi/YeIIQPI7gPKib+M=; b=P02ZzZbeV1VLknTaGlnE5MP59HedeWTFLNOnYhft6UZY0ElzmceT6ACGe+hGQzYIW4 Lwf+hOgjrBXUecUveWv6F+o24ilKfnxo/WCmRUTDIVrAaPXEuKc/bPY3AOLS6QAZESMA 29sYUatrgH7svTnfSvH34spBxRk0FXVi91Jok= Received: by 10.236.78.200 with SMTP id g48mr2319558yhe.12.1316036645750; Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [69.98.179.9] (9.sub-69-98-179.myvzw.com. [69.98.179.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e2sm1562487yhh.10.2011.09.14.14.44.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: The good news and the bad news...... References: From: Tracy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-574509741 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8F191) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:43:59 -0600 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8F191) --Apple-Mail-12-574509741 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The relay is not needed in this hypothetical fix. The EC2/3 already has 2 C= AS inputs. All that is needed is a hard definition of sensor offset so the s= oftware can be written appropriately. ( I'm assuming a Renesis engine which= has only one CAS in this discussion.) The CAS output is an AC voltage sine-wave that varies with engine speed. T= his is true for both Mazda and Subaru engines (and almost all others). The= sensor is a variable reluctor type. =20 Tracy Sent from my iPad On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Chad Robinson wro= te: > On 9/14/2011 1:48 PM, Al Wick wrote: >>=20 >> > If memory serves, it's 0 to 5vdc square wave. >> =20 >> > Yes, but I'm not sure where you are going. You thinking normally closed c= ontacts to OEM CAS, norm open to backup CAS? You still have to manage angle o= ffset. Would be unfortunate to have moisture in relay or turbulence disrupt C= AS. Likely not going to end up with safety improvement. Good creative idea t= hough. > The rotary engine CAS is set up on a bracket near the front pulley. I was e= nvisioning a system where you had a sensor in exactly the same spot on the o= ther side of the toothed wheel. You might need an offset alternator pulley t= o make room for it - but then you don't have to worry about angles/offsets. I= t's just a second sensor, ready to go - flip a switch and try an engine rest= art. If relay reliability was a concern there are always SSRs or even just g= ood switching transistors... >=20 --Apple-Mail-12-574509741 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
The relay is not needed in this hypothe= tical fix.   The EC2/3 already has 2 CAS inputs.  All that is need= ed is a hard definition of sensor offset so the software can be written a= ppropriately.  ( I'm assuming a Renesis engine which has only one CAS i= n this discussion.)

The CAS output is an AC v= oltage sine-wave that varies with engine speed.   This is true for both= Mazda and Subaru engines (and almost all others).   The sensor is a va= riable reluctor type.   

Tracy

Sen= t from my iPad

On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Chad Robinson <= ;crobinson@medialantern.com> wrote:

On 9/14/2011 1:48 PM, Al Wick wrote:
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<What kind of signal is on the CAS line
If memory serves, it's 0 to 5vdc square wave.
 
<Could it go through a relay safely?
Yes, but I'm not sure where you are going. You thinking normally closed contacts to OEM CAS, norm open to backup CAS? You still have to manage angle offset. Would be unfortunate to have moisture in relay or turbulence disrupt CAS. Likely not going to end up with safety improvement. Good creative idea though.
The rotary engine CAS is set up on a bracket near the front pulley. I was envisioning a system where you had a sensor in exactly the same spot on the other side of the toothed wheel. You might need an offset alternator pulley to make room for it - but then you don't have to worry about angles/offsets. It's just a second sensor, ready to go - flip a switch and try an engine restart. If relay reliability was a concern there are always SSRs or even just good switching transistors...

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