Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #56182
From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Sam Hodges Force landing - All OK
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:17:56 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ed, 

Some questions:  
1)  Does Sam's system have a fuel return circuit?  
2)  Does his system have an air-bleed circuit?  
3)  Was he running mogas or 100LL?  
4)  Was the A/C sitting in the hot sun long enough to significantly preheat the fuel?    

Mark
(98* is a cool day for this time of year in Austin, TX)


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Talked with Sam again last night.  After getting the aircraft back to hangar and FAA investigator had done his thing, Sam asked the investigator whether he wanted him to fire up the engine.  The investigator told Sam that was up to him.  So Sam turned on all the switches and the engine fired right up and ran smoothly - the investigator commented he was amazed at how smooth the rotary ran.  So the engine and it subsystem (at least initially) appears to function normally. 
 
It appears the nose gear did not fold when Sam encountered the fence - but apparently the one nose gear rod retaining bolt in the motor mount may have sheared and permitted the rod and nose gear to fold side ways.  Spinner and prop apparently incurred some damage - which may (or may not) be minor and fixable.  The right wing spar is bent so that wing is toast, fuselage appears OK and left wing with some trailing edge damage (probably fixable).
 
Further discussion with Sam leads me to believe that the highest probably cause was a "vapor lock" of some type in the fuel line. Sam stated the engine never stopped running (correction to my earlier report - where I stated it had quit), but just continued to sputter and failed to produce power. 
 
The ignition checked out OK as did the rest of the system back in the hangar.  The symptom of sputtering engine and no power would put a fuel system problem high on my list of suspects and given the high ambient temps (98F) and the run up before take off  -- would leave me to believe those conditions could have lead to diminished fuel flow. 
 
Sam is going to inspect his coarse filter to ensure it was not partially obstructed.
 
One item of note is that Sam does not have any sort of boost pump between tanks and his EFI pumps.  In my early days of testing while doing power-on stalls (high power low cooling airflow) on a hot day, my engine started to sputter (unlike Sam I had plenty of altitude when it happened) and I noticed my fuel pressure fluctuating between 20 - 35 psi.  I turned on my Facet boost pump (puts out approx 6 psi pressure) and it immediately squelch the problem.  So I now take off/land with boost pump on and have never since had that problem.
 
We know that any obstruction in a fuel line produces at least a small pressure drop down stream - Given the suction of the EFI pumps and even minor restriction of the coarse filter - a lower pressure region would exist between filter and EFI pumps - elevated temperatures could be enough to cause some of the fuel in this area  to flash into a gaseous state - which of course is not pumped very well.  Its my opinion that a boost pump is a worthwhile addition in keep pressure in the low pressure part of the fuel system sufficiently high to prevent the fuel from percolating - particularly on HOT ambient days.  However, make certain that the boost pump is of a type that does not obstruct fuel flow during a malfuction or when off.
 
Will provide any further details as Sam provides them.
 
As we all know engine failure right after take off is probably the most difficult and challenging situation you will face.  Unless you immediately lower the nose, your airspeed will bleed off almost immedately and a stall will occur.  So Sam certain is to be commended for his quick and effective action responding to the event.
 
Ed
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:49 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sam Hodges Force landing - All OK

Hmmm, two forced landings in one week … I hope the trend stops here!

Good job Sam for getting down safely from such a critical point  … 200-300’ on take-off is about as bad as it gets.

Let’s hope we get an answer soon as to the cause.

Jeff

 

From:

"Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>

Subject:

Sam Hodge Force landing - All OK

Date:

Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:12:16 -0400

To:

"Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

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Sam Hodges just called me to tell me about his forced landing after take off at Paducha on 7 August.  Ed K had notified me the day before of the incident but I wanted to get more details from Sam before reporting.

 

Engine sputtered and quit approx 200-300 ft after take off -  Sam stated he had time to switch from A to B controller - but it made no difference.  It was a hot 97F day.  Sam had performed runup before take off and all appeared OK.

 

Sam made it to a dirt road after the engine quit, but the nose gear failed and the aircraft also incurred some damage to the wing tips.  He and his spouse Rose were shaken up a bit but bascially OK except for sore muscles, etc.

 

Sam is meeting FAA guy to go over the aircraft - back at the hangar- today. 

 

As those of you who make it to the Paducha flyin last fall know - Sam and Rose have a beautifuly Renesis installation in an RV-7A - a really nice looking package.

 

Sam has been working out the bugs of his installation - wrestling with temperatures primarily and this flight was to check out the effectiveness of some of his recent changes.

 

I'm sure Sam will let us know whatever is uncovered pertinent to the incident.

 

Just great that no one was seriously injured or worst

 

Ed

 

 

Jeff Whaley
Manager, Test and Repair

International Datacasting Corp.

Tele: 613-596-4120 (ext: 2295)
Fax:  613-596-9208

www.datacast.com

 


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