X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with SMTP id 5083142 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:47:24 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.212.172; envelope-from=nghthwk@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2011 16:46:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.55] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2011 16:46:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2011 16:46:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1312562809; bh=DniUR+oIdKmRgDm3aYH6882etQ/bo7p2IEwuyB/7jp4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HnBEYqVhC64UMBpShPZArNmKQZwePyhUHxPdU/AKb0Y1J56MF/F3lUxX3C0lehEyE19DvFQEo9RNcwI37qHPEwvlXJDYLipsJsz4kvbNT3Thyhaj7hV4Qlv9KwM0n3XpQuAZJxEhTO3NWqoc0YLOfZWmGh7ocFFT8LHMUg7NOs0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 26634.1568.bm@smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 50UXcBQVM1kKbeV.r0_jN4sJcVQOkqgU4hcIkBj2WXIEkL0 3d9qIeFbp.gOW5aPiB8aoPBf7ysPV.3NiChBjJfkbxyNSNnpTbIFs1ux8nPU jm73GZs0sWWnKlYlUhd7b.tDwBnE_Qapkb7geEZ4iDg5EF95yoyoFz2ZQK0O rfNawgtTjdq3MSYprdVVXAKfjcnIhM6vQcZe4Ktjeh012BOzcQGBMntzg7ur Y0NVaA1tfBcHp30qpMSMQ6W51qc0Bcr3y_JE9kL0ShfeE8oS8nwnOtne4215 SqgFk1ces1djoiZUCC96nfrqtLZABG0bFOsLKFALAB_fNjsaB4bKyJVROEZM U1Q7MZvwKL3fpWRTiL4uC96zsse_0QL5_YdTqrA8sgC.cw78HDxXJyT8CR_U K7Id0VVFiEfJgV0X6r04gOgsF5Bg8iv9iK5.gNlmKWpK7.HXpCdt_p12Cij8 Y1gxValFvFczKaHeWIbh7NOXfsTIVdceV2sASDp.G73uuGwYSJ8phn2KdXvQ sGMAJIO8o7COO2EKPE72FWnukB8UbOq0Cwqo35rV8gjC1VLf5M6hfgJ92M3. _0n_pIzfntA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: EMUmveSswBDiaqMT.f6V_Q.Cmp.KvBjg2pONkOCuhBeTFg-- Received: from [192.168.1.4] (nghthwk@67.49.217.89 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Aug 2011 09:46:48 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E3C1E78.7030706@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 09:46:48 -0700 From: Cedric Gould User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Impellor Rotation Direction References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jeff, To give the short answer, Mazda is turning the impeller in the correct direction (namely in the direction correlating to the increasing scroll volume, as depicted in your "Water Pump Pulley 03.jpg"). The long answer is that the impeller blades, oriented as they are, is a stable, wide operating band style impeller. To use an aircraft analogy, this pump has a positive static margin. Something that's interesting about pumps such as this is that they can squeeze more efficiency out of the impeller by rotating the blade on the impeller. The downside to increasing the efficiency in this manner is that the operating range is reduced and, similar to reducing the static margin in an airplane, is that you pay for it in stability. If a pump of this design were "flying" at its neutral point, the blades would be oriented radially from the axis of rotation. Continuing with the airplane analogy, if the pump were "flying" with negative static margin, but also at its most potentially efficient, but also most likely to cavitate and go unstable, the blades would be mirror-imaged from the orientation they're in now, but still rotating in the same direction. I'm sure what I've explained is clear as mud, yes? Anyway, hope it helps. Regards, Cedric Gould On 8/5/2011 5:13 AM, Jeff Whaley wrote: > Why do I get the feeling these impellors are being turned in the wrong > direction? > > Image 1 is a scan of a test engine … from my cockpit the prop turns > clockwise and so does the e-shaft with an RD1-C - as referenced to this > scanned image. > > Now look at these water pump impellors … if I wanted to move water I’d > cup my hand and scoop it, not use the back of my hand. > > Has Mazda got this wrong? Or am I missing something? > > It looks like I’ll have to change the water pump, as the flange may be > warped and the thread bosses are definitely burred. > > ** > > *Jeff Whaley* > > > This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for > the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. > Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may > correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. > Thank you. > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html