X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-pz0-f50.google.com ([209.85.210.50] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5071814 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:02:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.50; envelope-from=dale.rog@gmail.com Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so40189pzk.9 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m/PgRVDrldgKAC2Ee6atf2GQOvv1NFhixu7A+y2L4vg=; b=BKE542xEAQxmVrWZim0QBgZRtypumVVaceuCHNxTjfbyHibKoCER10aWNpF4ZZztfg +9tWQ7516ow96q9UHTzg2I2HtadSEQNCZ1Fq5O5X+tz0IvDxAj/oyAxvpIj0xBNYbKdO JB/fivwbnxp/J+oUcqFOGjkdHjmTg5ON8DL7c= Received: by 10.68.59.8 with SMTP id v8mr9347734pbq.455.1312308107042; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.107] (ip72-201-24-223.ph.ph.cox.net [72.201.24.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v1sm52589pbg.79.2011.08.02.11.01.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E383B87.8070309@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:01:43 -0700 From: Dale_R User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Flywheel Machine Work References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/2/2011 5:05 AM, David Leonard wrote: > ... I am starting to think that the whole science of balancing is > just a gimmick. Despite the old balance hole being mostly drilled > away, the new balance holes are on the opposite side of the flywheel. !?? > Dave, Balancing is a procedure that falls right on the edge between science and black art. At high RPMs, changes "out of plane" can become critical. As an example, when I started balancing wheels all we had were bubble (static) balancers, and - because the weights had to go on the rim edges - we would find the amount of weight, then split it, e.g. two half ounce weights, one on the inside and one on the outside. ~Most~ of the time it would put give good freeway speed balance. Sometimes, though, we'd still get an out-of-balance wobble in the wheel due to the imbalance being off center of the c.g. plane of the wheel. Then affordable (for a small shop) dynamic balancers came along, and we discovered that, most of the time, less weight was required on one side of the wheel than the other, often not even opposite each other, to bring the center of balance the same as the center of rotation. Drilling balance divots on only one side of something like a wheel can create a similar situation - where the static balance is correct but the center of balance is no longer the same as the center of rotation. It takes sophisticated equipment and an equally sharp operator to get it right. BTW, FWIW ... For an average car tire with 25" diameter at the tread, at 60 MPH, the wheel is turning ~7950 RPM. -- Dale_R Cozy MKIV #497