X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from outbound-b1.mx-route.com ([208.123.79.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5040058 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 20:12:41 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.123.79.45; envelope-from=tom@midwestaviation.net Received: from mobile-166-137-011-189.mycingular.net (HELO [10.92.222.51]) ([166.137.11.189]) by smtp.mxtoolbox.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 01 Jul 2011 19:12:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: [Bulk] [FlyRotary] Re: GSL393/74028 Fuel Pump Replacement/Fuel Leak References: From: Tom Giddings Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16-545840121 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8F190) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <11E530BD-DCBF-4CA7-8C39-59A0AAE03A86@midwestaviation.net> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 20:11:56 -0400 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8F190) --Apple-Mail-16-545840121 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU ROTORBOT PRIME. Kind Regards Tom Giddings VP Avionics Sales Midwest Avionics 200 Hardy Roberts Drive Paducah, KY 42086-0219 877-904-9966 tom@midwestavionics.net Online Store=20 www.midwest-avionics.com On Jul 1, 2011, at 5:28 PM, David Leonard wrote: > For my fastest lap (217mph) I was at 40" MAP and 6900 RPM. Fuel flow was a= round 30 gph (extra rich) and I am guessing around 240 hp based on performan= ce relative to the super-six that was running the course at the same time. H= e was doing around 235mph best lap but has shorter wings than I do. > =20 > I do have an intercooler, but the manifold temps were up around 55C so I d= ecided not to push the boost or de-rich any further (still not at WOT). Coo= lant was 80-90C and oil was 80-85C (I set redline at 90C for both to be cons= ervative). If I get the water injection installed before Sept. I might be a= ble to go as high as 50" and leaned for best power.. maybe 300hp?? Might a= lso include a spray bar for the water, it can get hot in Reno in Sept. Not s= ure if water injection will also help bring down my coolant and oil temps. I= am guessing no, because any cooling of the intake air will be offset by the= leaner mixtures. > =20 > I love the all-around abilities of the RV, but it really does not belong a= t Reno. My IAS (upper 180's KIAS) was above Vans Vne (184 KIAS, but I have t= ested mine to 205 KIAS with TAS being somewhat higher), not sure I want to g= o much faster... Ah, who am I kidding, of course I do. As long as other RV= 's are going faster than me... Steve Senegal was doing about 230mph in his S= uper-8 with full length wings... Must... Catch... Steve... >=20 > --=20 > David Leonard >=20 > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Thomas Giddings w= rote: > David: How much boost and how HP you making with 13B Turbo. Are you interc= ooled? What kind of temps were you seeing running WO? > Tom Giddings > VP Avionics Sales > MIDWEST AVIONICS > 200 Hardy Roberts Dr > PO Box 219 > West Paducah,KY 42086 > 877-904 9966 > Cell; 727 858-1772 > FAX:270 744 3466 > tom@midwestaviation.net > Online Store > www.midwest-avionics.com >=20 > < Midwest Aviation Avionics Logo.jpg> >=20 > On Jul 1, 2011, at 3:39 PM, David Leonard wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:42 PM, "Bill Bradburry" = wrote: >>=20 >>> It will be difficult to burn more than about 20 gal per with a rotary.= Maybe as much as 30 gal with a turbocharged 20b. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Bill B >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>=20 >> I was seeing upwards of 30 gph with my turbo 13B while running the pylons= at Reno. That would be about 45gph with a turbo 20B. Course I was running r= eally rich to be sure I avoided detonation.. Am trying to design a water in= jection system to use more boost and run a little leaner. >> --=20 >> David Leonard >>=20 >> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY >> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net >> http://RotaryRoster.net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-16-545840121 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU  ROTORBO= T  PRIME.


Kind Regards
Tom Giddings
VP Avionics Sales
Midwest Avionics
200 Hardy Roberts D= rive
Paducah, KY 42086-0219
877-904-9966
= Online Store 


On Jul 1,= 2011, at 5:28 PM, David Leonard <= wdleonard@gmail.com> wrote:

For my fastest lap (217mph) I was at 40" MAP and 6900 RPM.&= nbsp; Fuel flow was around 30 gph (extra rich) and I am guessing around 240 h= p based on performance relative to the super-six that was running the course= at the same time.  He was doing around 235mph best lap but has shorter= wings than I do.
 
I do have an intercooler, but the manifold temps were up around 55C so I= decided not to push the boost or de-rich any further (still not at WOT).&nb= sp; Coolant was 80-90C and oil was 80-85C (I set redline at 90C for bot= h to be conservative).  If I get the water injection installed before S= ept. I might be able to go as high as 50" and leaned for best power..  m= aybe 300hp??  Might also include a spray bar for the water, it can get h= ot in Reno in Sept.  Not sure if water injection will also help bring d= own my coolant and oil temps. I am guessing no, because any cooling of the i= ntake air will be offset by the leaner mixtures.
 
I love the all-around abilities of the RV, but it really does not belon= g at Reno.  My IAS (upper 180's KIAS) was above Vans Vne (184= KIAS, but I have tested mine to 205 KIAS with TAS being somewhat highe= r), not sure I want to go much faster...  Ah, who am I kidding, of cour= se I do.  As long as other RV's are going faster than me...  Steve= Senegal was doing about 230mph in his Super-8 with full length wings... Mus= t... Catch... Steve...

--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.= RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Thomas Giddings <= span dir=3D"ltr"><tom@midwestaviation.net> wr= ote:
David: How much boost and how HP you ma= king with 13B Turbo. Are you intercooled? What kind of temps were you seeing= running WO?
=
Tom Giddings
VP Avionics Sales<= /div>
MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy Roberts D= r
PO Box 219
West Paducah,KY 42086
877-904 9966
Cell; 727 858-1772
FAX:270 744 3466
tom@midwestaviation.net
=
< Midwest Aviation Avionics Logo.jp= g>

On Jul 1, 2011, at 3:39 PM, David Leonard wrote:




On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:42 PM, "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

  It will be d= ifficult to burn more than about 20 gal per with a rotary.  Maybe as mu= ch as 30 gal with a turbocharged 20b.

 

Bill B

 


 
I was seeing upwards of 30 gph with my turbo 13B while running the= pylons at Reno. That would be about 45gph with a turbo 20B.  Course I w= as running really rich to be sure I avoided detonation..  Am trying to d= esign a water injection system to use more boost and run a little leaner.
--
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://Rotary= Roster.net




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