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Fri, 27 May 2011 14:42:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/567 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 14:42:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1071582752-1306532532=:6133" --0-1071582752-1306532532=:6133 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ernest,=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0 Addendum to previous post..............From what I c= an find the steel =0ACorvair fan=0Awas only on the 1962-63 models..........= ....=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ E= ngine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETIC= S"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kell= y Troyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:46:16 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re= : Blower design=0A=0A=0AErnest,=0A=A0=A0=A0 Intended to add this photo.....= .....Check the blade =0Aorientation..............=0A=0A=0A=0A=A0=0AKelly Tr= oyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC= 2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: = Fri, May 27, 2011 8:41:44 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design=0A=0A= =0AErnest,=0A=A0=A0 The=A0steel Corvair fan appears to be an early one with= slanted blades that =0Awill pump =0A=0Abest in the correct direction (cloc= kwise from your cockpit) but again no=A0OD =0Aor=A0ID......=0A=A0=A0 Perhap= s Pat Panzera knows the Corvair fan dimensions............=0A=A0=A0=0AKelly= Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C= /EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Pat Panzera =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:27:59 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Blower design=0A=0AFWIW, the Corvair guys=A0regularly=A0throw away one-pie= ce=A0magnesium=A0cooling fans =0Athat are geared to spin faster than engine= RPM, which is=A0red lined=A0at or a =0Alittle over 5000 rpm.=A0 =0A=0A=0Ah= ttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/60-4-Corvair-Magnesium-Blower-Fan-RARE-USED-/= 290487866240=0A=0A=0AThey also made a steel unit:=0Ahttp://www.google.com/i= mgres?imgurl=3Dhttp://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/171/240/045/dXva.jpg&im= grefurl=3Dhttp://www.ioffer.com/si/gallery%2Bexcellent&usg=3D__0NS_PTSi9_46= 6uVWQQCPeDqrmho=3D&h=3D603&w=3D800&sz=3D38&hl=3Den&start=3D50&sig2=3DLJuDUf= 2MyogJNpb5-ArbJA&zoom=3D1&tbnid=3DPriKgVFSlUdxLM:&tbnh=3D158&tbnw=3D218&ei= =3DmKbfTZntGcHiiAK2xvXKCg&prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dcorvair%2Bfan%26hl%3Den%26sa= fe%3Doff%26biw%3D1066%26bih%3D512%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=3D1&iact=3Dhc&vpx=3D551= &vpy=3D200&dur=3D1199&hovh=3D195&hovw=3D259&tx=3D177&ty=3D95&page=3D6&ndsp= =3D8&ved=3D1t:429,r:6,s:50&biw=3D1066&bih=3D512=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Ma= y 27, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Ernest Christley wrote:=0A=0A= Yes, I did.=0A>Takeaways:=0A>-the fan will flow between 10k and 12k cfm at = 6000rpm=0A>-the fan will hold together up to 10k rpm=0A>=0A>What I couldn't= find were=A0 any technical drawings to derive dimensions from. =0A>=0A>=0A= >=0A>=0A>On 05/26/2011 11:59 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A>Ernest,=0A>>=A0=A0= =A0 You may find this interesting..................=0A>>=0A>>http://www.off= roadvw.net/tech/wes/fan.html=0A>>=A0=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_= Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ernest Christley =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft = =0A>>Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:44:45 PM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower= design=0A>>=0A>>I found the thickness is 37mm (1.46").=A0 I could stack tw= o in the space I have if =0A>>the OD is around 10.4" and the ID is just ove= r 6.5".=0A>>=0A>>On 05/26/2011 10:39 PM, Ernest Christley wrote:=0A>>> 4Hp = is what I was expecting to spend to get a 10% increase in pressure.=A0 That= =0A>>>would give me between 15 and 20Hp.=0A>>> =0A>>> Does anyone here wor= k on Volkswagens?=A0 They have a fan to cool the engine that =0A>>>looks li= ke the shape I need, but I'm clueless as to the dimensions.=A0 Here is =0A>= >>what I'm talking about:=0A>>> =0A>>>http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/p= roduct_info.php?cPath=3D109_115_124&products_id=3D3295&osCsid=3Dhclq20d2slr= q1qh3eec132ii90=0A>>>0 =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--=0A>>Homepage:= =A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>>Archive and UnSub:=A0 http://mail.lancair= online.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>> --0-1071582752-1306532532=:6133 Content-Type: text/html; 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Ernest,
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     Adden= dum to previous post..............From what I can find the steel Corvair fa= n
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was only on the 1962-63 models..............
 
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS= "_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_T= O4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom:<= /B> Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.n= et>
Sent: Fri, May 27= , 2011 8:46:16 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design

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Erne= st,
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    Intended to add this photo..........Che= ck the blade orientation..............
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&nb= sp;
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Kelly Troye= r
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventua= lly)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Kelly Troye= r <keltro@att.net>
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:41:44 = AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re: Blower design

=0A
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=0A
Ernest,
=0A   The steel Corvair fan appears to be an early one with s= lanted blades that will pump
=0A
best in the correct direction (c= lockwise from your cockpit) but again no OD or ID......
=0A<= DIV>   Perhaps Pat Panzera knows the Corvair fan dimensions......= ......
=0A
  
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate= /Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0A<= DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">=0A
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=0AFrom: Pat Panzera <editor.contactmag= azine@gmail.com>
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:27:59 AMSubject: [FlyRotary] Re: B= lower design

FWIW, the Corvair guys regularly throw= away one-piece magnesium cooling fans that are geared to spin fa= ster than engine RPM, which is red lined at or a little over 5000= rpm.  =0A

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/60-4-C= orvair-Magnesium-Blower-Fan-RARE-USED-/290487866240
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They also made a steel unit:
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http://www.google.com/img= res?imgurl=3Dhttp://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/171/240/045/dXva.jpg&= imgrefurl=3Dhttp://www.ioffer.com/si/gallery%2Bexcellent&usg=3D__0NS_PT= Si9_466uVWQQCPeDqrmho=3D&h=3D603&w=3D800&sz=3D38&hl=3Den&am= p;start=3D50&sig2=3DLJuDUf2MyogJNpb5-ArbJA&zoom=3D1&tbnid=3DPri= KgVFSlUdxLM:&tbnh=3D158&tbnw=3D218&ei=3DmKbfTZntGcHiiAK2xvXKCg&= amp;prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dcorvair%2Bfan%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1066%= 26bih%3D512%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=3D1&iact=3Dhc&vpx=3D551&vpy= =3D200&dur=3D1199&hovh=3D195&hovw=3D259&tx=3D177&ty=3D9= 5&page=3D6&ndsp=3D8&ved=3D1t:429,r:6,s:50&biw=3D1066&bi= h=3D512
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= On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com> wrote:=
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Yes, I did.
Take= aways:
-the fan will flow between 10k and 12k cfm at 6000rpm
-the fan= will hold together up to 10k rpm

What I couldn't find were  an= y technical drawings to derive dimensions from. =0A
=0A
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On 05/26/2011 11:59 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: = =0A
=0A
=0A
Ernest,
=0A
  &nb= sp; You may find this interesting..................
=0A
 =0A
http://www.offroadvw.net/tech/wes/fan.html
 
=0A

K= elly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/= EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 T= urbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
= =0A
=0AFrom: Er= nest Christley <echristley@att.net><= /A>
To: Rotary motors in= aircraft <flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:44:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design

I found th= e thickness is 37mm (1.46").  I could stack two in the space I have if= the OD is around 10.4" and the ID is just over 6.5".

On 05/26/2011 = 10:39 PM, Ernest Christley wrote:
> 4Hp is what I was expecting to sp= end to get a 10% increase in pressure.  That would give me between 15 = and 20Hp.
>
> Does anyone here work on Volkswagens?  They have a fan to cool the engine = that looks like the shape I need, but I'm clueless as to the dimensions.&nb= sp; Here is what I'm talking about:
>
> http://www.chircoestor= e.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3D109_115_124&products_id=3D3295&a= mp;osCsid=3Dhclq20d2slrq1qh3eec132ii90
>
>


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