X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com ([209.85.161.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4966675 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 04 May 2011 12:43:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.52; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so946487fxm.25 for ; Wed, 04 May 2011 09:42:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sXZaT6xvUALqtQV2E7dU5BwHtumtmjQIH9pMfvRNPKI=; b=s8c3QS/kpa8oNL9deSxYEHxpUMv0CBmeHfSWfbfXQBzuMekxSSeWpC4Gf4wvIYjZOA wWZOmtW50hKbN47KSTG8bK1XIXODtB3QAa6zDTihC+VeNvt5NG3AMAel4aNEHd3qMBjP e4k+qT1jNYhthBwpW1rf62n/svs2rsE3V9BJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=dQ6VrY1U8fI8+VjZcXPXUoIehqWjCg7ysddPrHpHpdGAUI0B7Pvgwec3mBhDMGATDQ heGwgRfyComP0cGYcfaEAeNmVIip4PT7wT7WJuumfzw1B6XPwNt/15TwGpt39ZELwHxv YGxar2LyDTP3j9IGUeGDVIEtvy2y/Dfx0tpEg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.42.151 with SMTP id s23mr392113fae.135.1304527360683; Wed, 04 May 2011 09:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.69.139 with HTTP; Wed, 4 May 2011 09:42:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 11:42:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517476340eef0b904a275f13e --001517476340eef0b904a275f13e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kelly/Tom, You are correct that the Renesis front cover can be made to fit on a 13B/20B, but the pan bolts are a different pattern which will require modification to your oil pan. Also, the 20B front counterweight is larger than the Renesis causing the cover to interfere with the 20B's front counterweight. Material will need to be milled out for the cover to fit, but in doing that, you will end up cutting through the cover which will require tig welding the holes. Finally, the RX-8 front cover is heavier than the 13B/20B front cover with Renesis water pump. Personally, I don't see an advantage to using the Renesis front cover. Mark S. (Been there, done that.) On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > Tom, > > One additional thing comes to my mind...........I do not have a RX8 > Renesis front side > housing (cast iron) but from all of my research of photos I am fairly > confident that the > RX8 front housing (aluminum) will bolt directly to the 93-95 13BREW and > Cosmo 13B > and 20B with some minor mods (to possibly clear bolt heads on the 20B front > side hsg) > and the drilling and threading of 1 to 3 existing bosses for 8 mm x 1.25 > studs or bolts.. > > > > Kelly Troyer > *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Kelly Troyer > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:44 AM > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing > > Tom, > Source for pump with improved impeller...........They also > have used pump and eccentric shaft pulleys...... > "Mazmart" is located in Atlanta, GA............ > http://www.mazmart.com/PartsList.aspx?id=27&n=NEW&m=6 > > > > > > > > Kelly Troyer > *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tom Giddings > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17:50 AM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing > > Thanks Again!! > > Kind Regards > Tom Giddings > VP Avionics Sales > Midwest Avionics > 200 Hardy Roberts Drive > Paducah, KY 42086-0219 > 877-904-9966 > tom@midwestavionics.net > Online Store > www.midwest-avionics.com > > > On May 4, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > > Tom, > Try these two RX8 recyclers............ > > ss427bb@hotmail.com > Brian Galloway in Calif..........Used by Greg Ward (Turbo/20B) > > mrmazda@sbcglobal.net > Curtis James in Texas............Used by CozyGirrls, Mark (I believe) & > myself > > > > Kelly Troyer > *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Thomas Giddings > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:53 AM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing > > Mark: Thanks again....I must be getting old.. I remember now that you did > tell me that in one of our phone conversations...just now sinking in...as > matter of fact i just found the photo's you sent of your pump housing and > engine set -up. Kelly...you are a very helpful resource as well..I will try > to find this after market pump. The question is does anyone have a RX8 > water pump housing they would sell? > > Tom Giddings > VP Avionics Sales > MIDWEST AVIONICS > 200 Hardy Roberts Dr > PO Box 219 > West Paducah,KY 42086 > 877-904 9966 > Cell; 727 858-1772 > FAX:270 744 3466 > tom@midwestaviation.net > Online Store > www.midwest-avionics.com > > > > On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: > > Tom, > > I'm running a modified Renesis water pump housing. As you know, the 20B WP > housing is very tall with the thermostat section protruding up above the > engine. The Renesis WP housing uses a side intake/discharge but is > integrated with the front cover. The WP section must be cut away from the > remainder of the Renesis front cover to be used on a non-Renesis > application. > > The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron 20B cartridge, > but the impellor is very cheaply made. In the stock configuration, it may > not pump enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor. I went with an aftermarket WP > cartridge which has a SS impellor similar to that of the 20B. I'll have to > look for the info on that. Pump was a bit pricey at $265. > > You may also need a custom WP pulley to run a Renesis pump on a non-renesis > engine. > > Mark > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Giddings wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me which water pump housing will lower the overall height >> of the housing on the stock 20B. I need to keep it the height of block if >> possible. I have seen some photos of one that would work.Itwas on a two rotor engine. >> >> >> Tom Giddings >> VP Avionics Sales >> MIDWEST AVIONICS >> 200 Hardy Roberts Dr >> PO Box 219 >> West Paducah,KY 42086 >> 877-904 9966 >> Cell; 727 858-1772 >> FAX:270 744 3466 >> tom@midwestaviation.net >> Online Store >> www.midwest-avionics.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> > <20B_WP_Picture 002 small.JPG>-- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > --001517476340eef0b904a275f13e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kelly/Tom,
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You are correct that the Renesis front cover can be made to fit on a 1= 3B/20B, but the pan bolts are a different pattern which will require modifi= cation to your oil pan.=A0 Also, the 20B front counterweight is larger than= the Renesis causing the=A0cover=A0to interfere with the=A020B's front= =A0counterweight.=A0 Material will=A0need to be milled=A0out for the cover = to fit, but in doing that, you will end up cutting through the cover which = will require=A0tig welding the holes.=A0 Finally, the RX-8 front cover is h= eavier than the 13B/20B front cover with Renesis water pump.=A0 Personally,= I don't see an advantage to using the Renesis front cover.=A0=A0=A0
Mark S.
(Been there, done that.)
=A0
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>= ; wrote:
Tom,
=A0
=A0=A0=A0 One additional thing comes to my mind...........I do not hav= e a RX8 Renesis front side
housing (cast iron) but from all of my research of photos I am fairly = confident that the
RX8 front housing (aluminum) will bolt directly to=A0the 93-95=A013BRE= W and Cosmo 13B
and 20B with some minor=A0mods (to possibly clear bolt heads on the 20= B front side hsg)
and the drilling and threading of=A01 to=A03 existing bosses for 8 mm = x 1.25 studs or bolts..
=A0
=A0

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"= MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo


<= br>
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>=20

To: R= otary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:44 AM=20

Subject:<= /b> [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing

Tom,
=A0=A0 Source for pump with=A0improved impeller...........They also ha= ve=A0used=A0pump and eccentric shaft pulleys......
"Mazmart" is located in Atlanta, GA............=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0
=A0

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"= MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo


<= br>
From: Tom Giddings <tom@midwestaviatio= n.net>
To: Rotary= motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:1= 7:50 AM
Subject: [FlyRot= ary] Re: water pump housing

Thanks Again!!

Kind Regards=20
Tom Giddings
VP Avionics Sales
Midwest Avionics
200 Hardy Roberts Drive
Paducah, KY 42086-0219
Online Store=A0


On May 4, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wro= te:

Tom,
=A0=A0=A0 Try these two RX8 recyclers............
=A0
ss427bb@hotmail.com=A0 Brian Galloway in Calif..........Used= by Greg Ward (Turbo/20B)
=A0
<= font color=3D"#0081c2">mrmazda@sbcglobal.net=A0 Curtis James in = Texas............Used by CozyGirrls, Mark (I believe) & myself
=A0
=A0

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"= MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo


<= br>
From: Thomas Giddings <<= a href=3D"mailto:tom@midwestaviation.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow= ">tom@midwestaviation.net>
T= o: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02= :53 AM
Subject: [FlyRota= ry] Re: water pump housing

Mark: Thanks again....I must be ge= tting old.. I remember now that you did tell me that in one of our phone co= nversations...just now sinking in...as matter of fact i just found the phot= o's you sent of your pump housing and engine set -up. Kelly...you are a= very helpful resource as well..I will try to find this =A0after market pum= p. The question is does anyone have a RX8 water pump housing they would sel= l?=A0=20

Tom=A0Giddings
VP Avionics Sales
MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy Roberts = Dr
PO Box 219
West Paducah,KY 42086
877-904 9966
Cell; 727 858-17= 72
FAX:270 744 3466
tom@midwestaviation.net

<M= idwest>

On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steitle wrote:

Tom,
=A0
I'm running a modified Renesis water pump housing.=A0 As you know,= the 20B WP housing is very tall with the thermostat section protruding up = above the engine.=A0 The Renesis WP housing uses a side=A0intake/discharge = but=A0is integrated with the front cover.=A0=A0The WP section=A0must be cut= away from the remainder of the Renesis front cover to be used on a non-Ren= esis application.=A0
=A0
The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron 20B cartri= dge, but the impellor is very cheaply made.=A0 In the stock configuration, = it may not pump enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor.=A0 I went with an afterma= rket WP cartridge which has a SS impellor similar to that of the 20B.=A0 I&= #39;ll have to look for the info on that.=A0 Pump was a bit pricey=A0at $26= 5.
=A0
You may also need a custom WP pulley to run a Renesis pump on a non-re= nesis engine.
=A0
Mark

=A0
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Giddings= <tom@midwestaviation.net> wro= te:
Can anyone tell me which water p= ump housing will lower the overall height of the housing on the stock 20B. = I need to keep =A0it the height of block if possible. I have seen some phot= os of one that would work.It was on a two rotor engine.


Tom Giddings
VP Avionics Sales
MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy = Roberts Dr
PO Box 219
West Paducah,KY 42086
87= 7-904 9966
Cell; 727 858-1772
FAX:270 744 3466
tom@midwestaviation.net
Online Store
www.midw= est-avionics.com





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