X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from outbound-b1.mx-route.com ([208.123.79.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2) with ESMTP id 4924335 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:54:33 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.123.79.45; envelope-from=tom@midwestaviation.net Received: from mobile-166-137-011-121.mycingular.net (HELO [10.17.254.215]) ([166.137.11.121]) by smtp.mxtoolbox.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 27 Mar 2011 20:53:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Turbo turbine hsg A/R ratio(was intersting video) References: From: Tom Giddings Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-847488598 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8F190) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8ECD8E59-5B2A-478D-9766-58BCEAFCF89C@midwestaviation.net> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:53:51 -0400 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8F190) --Apple-Mail-12-847488598 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kelly: Yes... Thanks for the correction. Actually I am using a 1.15 . Brain f= ade... Staying up to late. Kind Regards Tom Giddings VP Avionics Sales Midwest Avionics 200 Hardy Roberts Drive Paducah, KY 42086-0219 877-904-9966 tom@midwestavionics.net Online Store=20 www.midwest-avionics.com On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > Tom, > Correction..........Your Turbine hsg is 0.60 A/R ratio !!..............= ...<:)=20 > Kelly Troyer >=20 >=20 > From: Kelly Troyer > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 9:24:46 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Turbo turbine hsg A/R ratio(was intersting video) >=20 > Tom, > I think Greg's 1.06 A/R turbine hsg is probably in the ballpark........= ..Your 0.72 hsg (corrected 0.60)=20 > will probably be a screamer off the ground and for racing but may tend to h= ave excess back pressure > and over-speed at cruising altitudes............You may have to have an ex= tra turbine hsg for cruise to > reduce wear on your turbo since your ship will be dual purpose............= .......The current group flying > Turbo/13B's with TO4 turbine sections have 0.98 to 1.15 A/R hsgs..........= My TO4E-50 has a 1.15 A/R > hsg for cruising at oxygen levels (12,000 msl +)............Your 20B flows= 1/3 again more air than the 13B > and of course all of our projects will take flight testing to prove out al= l these guesstimates.........IMHO > =20 > =20 > Kelly Troyer > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold >=20 > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Greg Ward > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Sat, March 26, 2011 11:52:30 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: intersting video >=20 > Hey Tom; > Ours is the 1.06 A/R, and as you can see, we are going straight out the si= de of the cowling. > Boost wise, we have a box of springs for the wastegate, and will wait for t= he dyno tests to find out our best settings. With the prop configuration we= have, we anticipate not a hell of a lot of acceleration, until we hit aroun= d 120 Knots, and then watch out........(:-) > Greg >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Giddings" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:09 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: intersting video >=20 >=20 > Greg: I am using the GT4294 56Trim 0.60 A/R Water/oil cooled . The 4088 i= s 54Trim 0.72 A/RI thought this might work better to keep the exhaust from b= acking up.It will be slow on bottom end ,but start making power around 3500 a= nd up.. We are looking at about the power you are expecting. How much boost a= re you using? I am also curious what your intake plenum cost to build. >=20 > On Mar 26, 2011, at 10:41 PM, Greg Ward wrote: >=20 > > Got it right the first time Tom. > > Greg > >=20 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Giddings" > > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:02 PM > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: intersting video > >=20 > >=20 > > Greg: Is your Turbo set up a GT4088 non bb unit ? > > Tom Giddings > > VP Avionics Sales > > MIDWEST AVIONICS > > 200 Hardy Roberts Dr > > PO Box 219 > > West Paducah,KY 42086 > > 877-904 9966 > > Cell; 727 858-1772 > > FAX:270 744 3466 > > tom@midwestaviation.net > > Online Store > > www.midwest-avionics.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.h= tml >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.= html --Apple-Mail-12-847488598 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Kelly: Yes... Thanks for the correction= . Actually I am using a 1.15 . Brain fade... Staying up to late.

Kind= Regards
Tom Giddings
VP Avionics Sales
Midwest= Avionics
200 Hardy Roberts Drive
Paducah, KY 42086-0219=
877-904-9966
Online Store 

On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Kelly Troyer <<= a href=3D"mailto:keltro@att.net">keltro@att.net> wrote:

=
Tom,
   Correction..........Your Turbine hsg is 0.60 A/R ratio !!.= ................<:) 

Kelly Troyer

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 9:24:46= AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] T= urbo turbine hsg A/R ratio(was intersting video)

Tom,
   I think Greg's 1.06 A/R turbine hsg is probably in the bal= lpark..........Your 0.72 hsg (corrected 0.60) 
will probably be a screamer off the ground and for racing but may t= end to have excess back pressure
and over-speed at cruising altitudes............You may have to have an= extra turbine hsg for cruise to
reduce wear on your turbo since your ship will be dual purpose.........= ..........The  current group flying
Turbo/13B's with TO4 turbine sections have 0.98 to 1.15 A/R hsgs.......= ...My TO4E-50 has a 1.15 A/R
hsg for cruising at oxygen levels (12,000 msl +)............Your 20B fl= ows 1/3 again more air than the 13B
and of course all of our projects will take flight testing to prove out= all these guesstimates.........IMHO
 
 
  Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2"= (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Man= ifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo


From: Greg Ward <gregw@onestopdesign.biz>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= >
Sent: Sat, March 26,= 2011 11:52:30 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: intersting video

Hey Tom= ;
Ours is the 1.06 A/R, and as you can see, we are going straight out the= side of the cowling.
Boost wise, we have a box of springs for the wasteg= ate, and will wait for the dyno tests to find out our best settings.  W= ith the prop configuration we have, we anticipate not a hell of a lot of acc= eleration, until we hit around 120 Knots, and then watch out........(:-)
= Greg


----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Giddings" <tom@midwestaviation.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraf= t" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Se= nt: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: [FlyRot= ary] Re: intersting video


Greg: I am using the GT4294  56Tri= m  0.60 A/R Water/oil cooled . The 4088 is 54Trim 0.72 A/RI thought thi= s might work better to keep the exhaust from backing up.It will be slow on b= ottom end ,but start making power around 3500 and up.. We are looking at abo= ut the power you are expecting. How much boost are you using? I am also curi= ous what your intake plenum cost to build.

On Mar 26, 2011, at 10:41 P= M, Greg Ward wrote:

> Got it right the first time Tom.
> Gre= g
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Giddings" <= tom@midwestaviation.net>
> To: "Rotary motors i= n aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&= gt;
> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:02 PM
> Subject: [FlyRota= ry] Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: intersting video
>
>
> Greg:= Is your Turbo set up  a GT4088 non bb unit ?
> Tom Giddings
&= gt; VP Avionics Sales
> MIDWEST AVIONICS
> 200 Hardy Roberts Dr<= br>> PO Box 219
> West Paducah,KY 42086
> 877-904 9966
>= ; Cell; 727 858-1772
> FAX:270 744 3466
> tom@midwes= taviation.net
> Online Store
> www.midwest-avionics.com
>
> >
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