X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from EXHUB003-2.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.29] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2k) with ESMTPS id 4864886 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:17:33 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.5.74.29; envelope-from=jwhaley@datacast.com Received: from EXVMBX003-5.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.45]) by EXHUB003-2.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.29]) with mapi; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:16:57 -0800 From: Jeff Whaley To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:18:38 -0800 Subject: RE: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Thread-Topic: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Thread-Index: AcvMW93NIOZELmyUQNSCEsdhYTtgQwADsqxg Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_005_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0E0179F67C3A43EXVMBX0035e_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_005_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0E0179F67C3A43EXVMBX0035e_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0E0179F67C3A43EXVMBX0035e_" --_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0E0179F67C3A43EXVMBX0035e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're right, it will not affect the compression, but will affect the ignit= ion ... Jeff From: Chris Barber Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:39:26 +0000 To: Rotary motors in aircraft [cid:image001.gif@01CBCC41.2BCD81A0] [cid:image002.gif@01CBCC41.2BCD81A0] Not sure how that would effect the lower compression though. ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = Chris Barber [cbarber@texasattorney.net] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:35 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Jeff, I shall give that a try Chris From: Jeff Whaley Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:29 AM To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' Subject: RE: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Chris, try changing your spark plugs. If you've caused damage to the rotor= springs from detonation, you've also exposed the plugs to the same force. I have never had a problem starting my engine except for this past weekend = ... wouldn't start, I was blaming it on the cold, so it got more pre-heat a= nd eventually started exactly as you said, a lot of cranking and liking the= starter assist. Yesterday, same thing wouldn't start - more pre-heat, sti= ll no joy. Pulled the plugs and they were coated with black soot, so I went= home, got a brand new set of plugs - engine started right away and with no= additional pre-heat. Jeff Whaley From: Chris Barber Subject: Low Compression in rotor 2...still Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:29:28 +0000 To: Rotary motors in aircraft [cid:image001.gif@01CBCC41.2BCD81A0] [cid:image002.gif@01CBCC41.2BCD81A0] To remind y'all, following very hard starting, I discovered bad apex seal s= prings in my rotor 2 most likely due to detonation. I cracked the keg and = replaced the rear apex springs and sealed it all back up. While apart, I d= id not discover any damage other than the bad springs. I have been trying to tune the engine, however, even using BOTH my EC2's, I= am still having problems with very hard starting. When I do get it to st= art it is at full lean and I believe only if I switch over to B. Once star= ted I can take the mixture from full lean to a more moderate setting (even = if the tuning is still lacking) and it will run on A or B about the same. = I have reset A to factory settings. I do have a bit larger injectors, per = Mistrals recommendation, but did crank her up to 22. MAP and adjust Mode 3 = once started to just over the mid point per the EC2 manual. It takes an extended period of time of cranking (maybe 50 or 60 seconds...b= etting my starter is hating me) before it starts and then kinda just starts= running as a continuation of the starter being turned, instead of the engi= ne actually "firing up". I pulled the plugs to check inside and unlike before all the apex seals are= nice and springy, HOWEVER, when I do a compression check I am only getting= about 60 psi on the rear rotor. I am getting about 80 psi on the front ro= tor, which is what I expected. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5873 (20110214) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the a= ddressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauth= orized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message= in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal= records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. --_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0E0179F67C3A43EXVMBX0035e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You’re right, it= will not affect the compression, but will affect the ignition …

Jeff=

 

From:

Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.n= et>

Subject:

RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in r= otor 2 ... still

Date:

Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:39:26 +0000=

To:

Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@= lancaironline.net>

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Not sure how that would effect the lower compression t= hough.

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [f= lyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Chris Barber [cbarber@texasattorney.net]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:35 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still=

Jeff,

 

I shall give that a try

 

Chris

 

 

From: Jeff Wha= ley
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:29 AM
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'
Subject: RE: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still<= /p>

 

Chris, try changing your spark plugs.  If you&#= 8217;ve caused damage to the rotor springs from detonation, you’ve al= so exposed the plugs to the same force.

I have never had a problem starting my engine except= for this past weekend … wouldn’t start, I was blaming it on th= e cold, so it got more pre-heat and eventually started exactly as you said,= a lot of cranking and liking the starter assist.  Yesterday, same thing wouldn’t start – more pre-heat, st= ill no joy. Pulled the plugs and they were coated with black soot, so I wen= t home, got a brand new set of plugs – engine started right away and = with no additional pre-heat.

 

Jeff Whaley

&nb= sp;

From:

Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.n= et>

Subject:

Low Compression in rotor 2...still<= /o:p>

Date:

Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:29:28 +0000=

To:

Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@= lancaironline.net>

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To remind y'all, following very hard starting, I = discovered bad apex seal springs in my rotor 2 most likely due to detonation.  I cracked the keg and replaced the rear apex springs = and sealed it all back up.  While apart, I did not discover any damage= other than the bad springs.

 

I have been trying to tune the engine, however, even u= sing BOTH my EC2's, I am still having problems with very hard starting.   When I do get it to start it is at full lean and I b= elieve only if I switch over to B.  Once started I can take the m= ixture from full lean to a more moderate setting (even if the tuning is sti= ll lacking) and it will run on A or B about the same.  I have reset A to factory settings.  I do have a bit larger injectors= , per Mistrals recommendation, but did crank her up to 22. MAP an= d adjust Mode 3 once started to just over the mid point per the EC2 ma= nual.

 

It takes an extended period of time of cranking (maybe= 50 or 60 seconds...betting my starter is hating me) before it starts and then kinda just starts running as a continuation of the= starter being turned, instead of the engine actually "firing up"= .

 

I pulled the plugs to check inside and unlike bef= ore all the apex seals are nice and springy, HOWEVER, when I do a compression check I am only getting about 60 psi on the rear rotor. = ; I am getting about 80 psi on the front rotor, which is what I expected.

 

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