X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [64.129.170.194] (HELO VIRCOM1.fcdata.private) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2k) with ESMTP id 4864746 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:39:58 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::697f:d6aa:b87:78d8]) by FCD-MAIL05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([fe80::809d:a06e:5913:452e%15]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:35:11 -0600 From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Thread-Index: AQHLzFxBIomfFu7eAEeyfrDvi9DAPZQBIb5w Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:39:26 +0000 Message-ID: <2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3035728D71@FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [99.98.105.202] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_005_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3035728D71FCDMAIL06FCDATA_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_005_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3035728D71FCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3035728D71FCDMAIL06FCDATA_" --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3035728D71FCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure how that would effect the lower compression though. ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = Chris Barber [cbarber@texasattorney.net] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:35 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Jeff, I shall give that a try Chris ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = Jeff Whaley [jwhaley@datacast.com] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:28 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still Chris, try changing your spark plugs. If you=92ve caused damage to the rot= or springs from detonation, you=92ve also exposed the plugs to the same for= ce. I have never had a problem starting my engine except for this past weekend = =85 wouldn=92t start, I was blaming it on the cold, so it got more pre-heat= and eventually started exactly as you said, a lot of cranking and liking t= he starter assist. Yesterday, same thing wouldn=92t start =96 more pre-hea= t, still no joy. Pulled the plugs and they were coated with black soot, so = I went home, got a brand new set of plugs =96 engine started right away and= with no additional pre-heat. Jeff Whaley From: Chris Barber Subject: Low Compression in rotor 2...still Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:29:28 +0000 To: Rotary motors in aircraft [Message Header] [Undecoded Message] To remind y'all, following very hard starting, I discovered bad apex seal s= prings in my rotor 2 most likely due to detonation. I cracked the keg and = replaced the rear apex springs and sealed it all back up. While apart, I d= id not discover any damage other than the bad springs. I have been trying to tune the engine, however, even using BOTH my EC2's, I= am still having problems with very hard starting. When I do get it to st= art it is at full lean and I believe only if I switch over to B. Once star= ted I can take the mixture from full lean to a more moderate setting (even = if the tuning is still lacking) and it will run on A or B about the same. = I have reset A to factory settings. I do have a bit larger injectors, per = Mistrals recommendation, but did crank her up to 22. MAP and adjust Mode 3 = once started to just over the mid point per the EC2 manual. It takes an extended period of time of cranking (maybe 50 or 60 seconds...b= etting my starter is hating me) before it starts and then kinda just starts= running as a continuation of the starter being turned, instead of the engi= ne actually "firing up". I pulled the plugs to check inside and unlike before all the apex seals are= nice and springy, HOWEVER, when I do a compression check I am only getting= about 60 psi on the rear rotor. I am getting about 80 psi on the front ro= tor, which is what I expected. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur= e database 5873 (20110214) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the a= ddressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauth= orized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message= in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal= records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D3035728D71FCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not sure how that would effect the lower compression though.

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary= @lancaironline.net] on behalf of Chris Barber [cbarber@texasattorney.net] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:35 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still

Jeff,

 

I shall give that a try

 

Chris

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary= @lancaironline.net] on behalf of Jeff Whaley [jwhaley@datacast.com]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:28 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Low compression in rotor 2 ... still

Chris, try changing your spark plugs.  If you= =92ve caused damage to the rotor springs from detonation, you=92ve also exp= osed the plugs to the same force.

I have never had a problem starting my engine except= for this past weekend =85 wouldn=92t start, I was blaming it on the cold, = so it got more pre-heat and eventually started exactly as you said, a lot o= f cranking and liking the starter assist.  Yesterday, same thing wouldn=92t start =96 more pre-heat, still no j= oy. Pulled the plugs and they were coated with black soot, so I went home, = got a brand new set of plugs =96 engine started right away and with no addi= tional pre-heat.

 

Jeff Whaley

=  

From:

Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>

Subject:

Low Compression in rotor 2...still

Date:

Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:29:28 +0000

To:

Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t;

3D"Message

To remind y'all, following very hard starting, I disco= vered bad apex seal springs in my rotor 2 most likely due to detonatio= n.  I cracked the keg and replaced the rear apex springs and sealed it all back up.  While apart, I did not discover a= ny damage other than the bad springs.

 

I have been trying to tune the engine, however, even using = BOTH my EC2's, I am still having problems with very hard starting. &nb= sp; When I do get it to start it is at full lean and I believe only if I switch over to B.  Once started I can ta= ke the mixture from full lean to a more moderate setting (even if the tunin= g is still lacking) and it will run on A or B about the same.  I have = reset A to factory settings.  I do have a bit larger injectors, per Mistrals recommendation, but did crank her up to 22.&n= bsp;MAP and adjust Mode 3 once started to just over the mid point per the&n= bsp;EC2 manual.

 

It takes an extended period of time of cranking (maybe 50 o= r 60 seconds...betting my starter is hating me) before it starts = and then kinda just starts running as a continuation of the starter being turned, instead of the engine actually "firing u= p".

 

I pulled the plugs to check inside and unlike before a= ll the apex seals are nice and springy, HOWEVER, when I do a compressi= on check I am only getting about 60 psi on the rear rotor.  I am getting about 80 psi on the front rotor, which is w= hat I expected.

 

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