X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2k) with ESMTP id 4860826 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:44:37 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.39; envelope-from=wrjjrs@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p1AGhsQn014944 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:43:54 -0500 Received: from core-dgd001a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dgd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.229.193]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A4A1BE000088 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:43:53 -0500 (EST) References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust Bearing ... back ... X-AOL-IP: 66.253.96.220 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: wrjjrs@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33222-STANDARD Received: from 66.253.96.220 by Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com (205.188.171.202) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:43:52 -0500 Message-Id: <8CD9758D5AF572B-1974-765A@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [66.253.96.220] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:43:53 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:364787712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4d5415c90bcb Well this has gone rather far afield from tension bolt replacement, but=20 I must comment. The entire idea of oxygenating fuels was an idiotic,=20 eco-twit, no science needed idea. The only vehicles which may show a=20 small improvement in emissions using oxygenated fuel are 20+ year old=20 carbureted engines. All late model engines with O2 sensors control=20 their own mixture and all the Ethanol or MTBE fuels do is show unburned=20 O2 in the tailpipe which results in a richer mixture and lower mileage.=20 (Usually about 1-11/2 MPG reduction) The MTBE fiasco was pushed through=20 in California with the blessing of the Sierra Club one of the=20 supposedly most aggressive eco watchdog's blessing. Please save me from=20 the feel good, junk science, eco nuts. My point is that they do more=20 harm than good, and I DO CARE about the planet, I live here! Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: David Staten To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:15 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust=20 Bearing ... back ... Well, I can agree with Lynn for one thing.. Carter was 2nd worst=20 president ever.... (After Bush 43)...=C2=A0 :P =C2=A0 Ethanol in fuel was never about efficiency. NEVER. It was about=20 replacing a very toxic oxygenate (MTBE) with something cleaner burning=20 and less toxic. Lead in aviation fuel will go the same way.. its=20 inevitable. One plant makes the lead that goes in=C2=A0it. They go tits up= =20 and the 25 percent of the aviation fleet that burns 75 percent of the=20 leaded avgas will be knee-capped brutally. =C2=A0 Biofuel is not exclusively ethanol. Its also HYDROCARBONS synthesized=20 or processed from living matter, as opposed to fossil fuels naturally=20 developed from long dead matter. Its bacteria in a digester/reactor=20 with a feedstock and a product stream. Ethanol is in cars to reduce=20 smog.. nothing more. Biofuels in aircraft do not necessarily have to=20 include ethanol (but it could). =C2=A0 Ifwe dont start doing more than paying lip service to preserving our=20 environment, we will have the worlds best military protecting the=20 worlds largest ecological wasteland. =C2=A0 As long as we are overly=C2=A0dependent on fossil fuels, we will be subject= =20 to the foreign policy of others. Biofuels, Nuclear, Solar, Wind,=20 Hydroelectric... all things that need to be developed further. And if=20 we wait until its too late to transition, our worlds best military will=20 be reduced to throwing rocks and writing nasty letters, because our=20 turbine powered planes and tanks dont run on good intentions. Personally... if we have to burn oil... Why burn mine (ours)=C2=A0when I ca= n=20 burn yours (theirs).. =C2=A0 I'm not hardly a hairy, stoned, tree hugging hippie, but I do recognize=20 their point.. =C2=A0 Dave =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:24 PM, wrote: Lynn for President,,,,,,,,,,( might be in central FL this winter, will=20 contact, stop & say hi )=C2=A0=C2=A0 David R. Cook=C2=A0 RV6A=C2=A0=C2=A0 R= otary. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lehanover@aol.com To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:39:57 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust=20 Bearing ... back ... In a message dated 2/9/2011 12:02:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 jwhaley@datacast.com writes: Interesting enough, though the scary part is there=E2=80=99s no mention in = the=20 text of AVGAS or GAS =E2=80=A6 only the subject uses the term AVGAS. The text body uses the terms =E2=80=9Cunleaded, sustainable general aviatio= n=20 fuel, credible renewable, unleaded fuel, 'green' fuel and the exclusive=20 use of biofuel in air show performances."=C2=A0 I fear this is another=20 attempt to push ETHANOL or heavy ethanol-blended fuel. Jeff If you take away government subsidies from the green fuel tree hugger=20 play. Gasohol would be gone in a month. It takes almost a gallon of=20 fuel to produce a gallon of gasohol. You have to boil it. It is made=20 just like Jack Danials. =C2=A0 It is the biggest victory of form over function ever imagined by=20 mankind. =C2=A0 The farmers love it because they save money as the kernel quality is=20 lower, and the water content is higher, and they get government money.=20 The government pays the oil companies to use it. The oil companies get=20 to displace actual gasoline with the crap for even more profits, and=20 the user pays all of them extra in taxes so you can get 30% less=20 mileage and performance. But wait...........there's more.........Plus=20 the better corn not now being grown for feed stock plastics and human=20 consumption has boosted the price of that corn. So the farmer profits=20 again. The beef man looses his a__, and you pay even higher beef, pork=20 and poultry prices in addition the taxes that support this house of=20 cards. When beef prices get high enough, dairy herds are thinned at=20 higher rates (younger) and milk production drops. Milk prices go up. =C2=A0 What to do?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Send the entire energy department home. Established in 75 to eliminate=20 our dependence on offshore oil. =C2=A0 Eliminate all farm subsidies. Phase out oil imports to zero over the=20 next 7 years. Drill here. Drill now. =C2=A0 We can be cut off at the knees and turned into a 3rd world country by=20 the towel heads who hate us. If you don't remember the oil crisis of 74=20 under the (Now) second worst president in this country's history, Jimmy=20 Carter, Look it up. Long lines on odd license number days, or even=20 license number days for 10 gallons of fuel. =C2=A0 The worlds strongest military reduced to writing nasty letters?????=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If the tree huggers want to live in mud huts, smoke dope, and use=20 gasohol let them pay for it with their money not mine. =C2=A0 Look up Bakken oil formation. =C2=A0 Lynn E. Hanover=C2=A0