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Steve,
Do you have any pictures of your
install? What airport are you flying out ot?
Bill B
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Steve Thomas
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011
2:09 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral
parts?
Howdy everyone! I'm sitting here lurking most of the time, but
admit that I don't read all the posts. Here is an update on the situation
at Mistral. The company has closed its doors for now and is in the hands
of a bankruptcy court. However, there is still a lot of interest in the
company and they are continuing to seek out either additional investors or a
sale of the company with a view to resume. The court has given them an
extension to work out any possible plans.
All of the employees that were there before it closed are gone, most
having sought out other opportunities. So, there is really no one to
contact at this point. Will there be a revival of Mistral? All of
us who own their engines sure hope so. I hope to convince any new
owners/investors to get parts into the field, both whole engines and individual
parts. One aspect of my engine that I really appreciate is the hydraulic
prop. Works great.
If anything that is for public consumption occurs, I will try to let
everyone know.
On another subject, I now have over 22 hours on my airplane. I
have been fighting an oil temperature problem from the outset. I've
realized that I have an air intake that is too big and an air exit that is too
small. Right now, I can manage the oil temps to the point that I can
safely fly, but will need to make some major cowl mods somewhere down the road.
I want to get my 40 hours flown off so I can return to my home airport
and work more efficiently. The large intake scoop is also having a
detrimental effect on my top speed, both from drag and the need to keep
throttled back to watch the oil. I can see that my cowl is building up a
lot of pressure, so I've got to get that resolved before I will really know
what this ship can do.
Also, I have found a muffler that works great, but it is still hanging
out in the breeze under the airplane. The muffler has cut the noise
considerably. I got it from Burns Stainless. it is one of their
2-stage mufflers. But, I am also fighting high EGTs on my #1 rotor, which
I attribute to poor cooling of the header. So, I need to do some work
there as well. I'd love to get the whole business under the cowl, so one
of those tangential muffler solutions with a cool air blast tube is probably in
my future. The tangential probably reduces the available power a little,
but the undercarriage muffler adds drag.
But, for now, I'm concentrating real hard on getting my hours flown
off.
Best Regards,
Steve Thomas
"When the government fears the
people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is
tyranny." --Thomas Jefferson
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On Feb 5, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:
I do not know "Mistral's" current
status............I have their backplate and oil manifold............You
might contact Steve Thomas (Glasair retract) with a
complete "Mistral" 13B engine........I do not
know how close he monitors this forum...............
Kelly
Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
"13B
ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50
Turbo
From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.net>
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 12:16:23 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Mistral parts?
Will Mistral still
sell subassemblies or has their bankruptcy/withdrawal from the market stopped
all that completely? Did they sell to someone?
From: Rotary
motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:54 AM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Case bolts and torque
readings
In a message dated 2/3/2011 6:00:48 P.M.
Eastern Standard Time, Lehanover@aol.com writes:
Forgive me if I am a
little dense but after your explanation and all the mention of torque
readings based on "Dry Threads"
then your statement to use "Antiseize" which method
produces the most accurate and
repeatable torque readings ??............In my hunt for bolts
of the correct thread length for the
"Dynaocal" mounts to bolt to my "Mistral" backplate to
my engine mount I obtained a lot of
info regarding bolt torque from the "ARP" (well known
fastener company)........Their torque
procedure recommendation includes the use of their
own brand of thread
lubricant...............
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
Well, any method of installation that is
consistent bolt to bolt and hole to hole can then produce repeatable torque
readings within some acceptable range. All dry holes in one range, or all motor
oiled holes or many builders like STP because it clings to stuff so well. So,
there is a big range in tension developed between say 25 pounds of torque on a
bolt with clean dry threads in a clean dry hole (Vapor degreased) and another
bolt lubricated with nearly any kind of oil or, oil like product.
Then all of the oil like products will
produce a very much narrower band of tension outcomes. I like Nickel
anti-seize, but nearly anything works. So if the bolt is torqued up and you
find some below torque, back each out in sequence one full turn to allow some
lube to migrate onto the threads and torque up in one continuous motion. If you
have to stop the motion before the wrench clicks, then back up one full turn
and try again.
If it was not a single motion from the
last torque step to the wrench click, then the bolt has not been torqued
and shame on you.
Torque is called out to control some
other factor. In this case how much pressure is on the stack, and that controls
beam stiffness and some torsional stiffness.
In very highly stressed bolts in tension,
the bolt is torqued into a tensile stress above the maximum load expected. SPS
(Standard Pressed Steel) makes all kinds of bolts. The great tension
bolts have a dimple on both ends. You stick a special dial indicator jig
on these bolts and you torque the bolt until it has stretched a specific
amount, like .007" for rod bolts. It is best to have a spare set of SPS
bolts that you use just during resizing you rods. The clown who runs that
machine generally torques rod bolts to 35 pounds for everything.
You want you rods resized with bolts
close to 50 pounds and stretched to .007" That is if you actually
want round big ends. (Higher HP and lower oil temps).
The torque callouts for most bolts have
nothing to do with the bolts at all. It is to prevent your ham fisted brother
in-law from jacking the threads out of an aluminum casting. So bolts in
aluminum for most applications can be made of crap. Since not into their
working range, there is no way to keep them from backing out without some
positive locking system. Not Locktite as it will glue the bolt in tight and
require much heat to kill it before removal, lest the threads come out with the
bolt.
Or, Locktite just under the bolt head and
washer. Or drill the bolt head for safety wire.
The aircraft bolts with thin heads and
very short thread runs, are shear bolts. Always used in double shear to avoid a
bending load, and very lightly torqued as they are poor in tension. They have a
hole through the threads for a safety pin or split cotter to keep the half
height castle nut from falling off.
Went to Kermit Weeks Fantasy of
Flight museum today. Went on all of the tours. Well worth a side trip up
I-4 while at Sun&Fun.
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