X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4634975 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:38:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.44; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so1632874ewy.31 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:37:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MSDCPpfZYn3IFvgXGPwSCZlcSlgjCaDWyUDEYPJdJmg=; b=GWfYCz+7bDA0Xo//5yTBio32TMnZ4IKqn+UPb8bM0upeYEXNpdQ1zMwhzCMfDRNEiH d4h20zpCRJoywSxuci0KEgOnNBcA9BfqNdnDcuY07SJ5gY1NgHYVynJGySgKTsQLTW0n uvzkum2EoFBRT13y/O+0aOlXDeGUjbplpXt9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jjVkXbLFUwVzHGjvVmRu3zzllxspFCwWT7aCv34EdgDo9yDfCIuiRSMAEIUaTkILTX kLkPCvrMG+5ENikJQUf1x8xvR18cu7uzhLzBglO2HvNfsW/CKnREILVjPYN2R+k53l6f aSQEe7ED+MoSDfG+scW+Smp//Ybq3SLvpLMnM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.29.16 with SMTP id o16mr7186563ebc.36.1291898277296; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 04:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.21.146 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 04:37:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 06:37:57 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Source for 18mm x 2.0 Bolt From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c43c0e77c190496f981cc --0015174c43c0e77c190496f981cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ed, I totally agree, except were you don't have much other choice, like when plugging the heater port. There isn't enough material to drill & tap to a common size. The 18mm was a good fit, and would have worked out great if we had used a more common pitch, like 1.5. Who would have known that they make taps for non-existent bolt sizes. Mark On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: > I would avoid the "have it made route" if possible. If for some reason > you ever needed a replacement, you'd have to have it made again. Although, > I must admit, I can't imagine what would ruin an 18x2.0 bolt that wouldn't > trash the engine - but you never know {:>). > > I try to stick with easily available standard sizes if at all possible for > just about anything on the aircraft - so I can run down to local Auto store > when away from home and get the part if needed. > > Ed > > *From:* Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:35 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Source for 18mm x 2.0 Bolt > > From the responses received on this it looks like the best route is to go > see the machinist and have one made. Oh, and throw the 18mm x 2.0 tap in > the trash. > > Mark > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Dave wrote: > >> Bought something bigger, cut it down... filed the threads into a taper at >> the tip and played with it carefully so it didnt cross thread. Thats what I >> did with our first attempt at a block, when we put an aluminum adapter on >> the oil pump pad for oil return and PSRU feed. >> >> Later gen used the stock oil return fitting with an AN adapter on it. >> >> On 12/8/2010 3:40 PM, Mark Steitle wrote: >> >> Kelly, >> >> Short story is that this is the tap size I had handy that fit the hole. >> We're trying to plug the heater port on the rear housing. Who would have >> thought that an 18mm x 2.0 would be an oddball size! We found a place that >> sells 18mm x 2.0 nuts, but they tell us that nobody makes an 18 x 2.0 bolt. >> That seems hard to believe. >> >> Mark >> >> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> Try the link below.............What in the world is it for >>> !!.................There may be other sources but >>> >>> this is the first one I found................. >>> >>> http://www.fullermetric.com/products/hex/din933_931-8.8hex_head_cap_screw.html#14-20 >>> >>> >>> Kelly Troyer >>> *"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)* >>> >>> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine >>> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 >>> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold >>> >>> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Richard Sohn >>> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >>> *Sent:* Wed, December 8, 2010 2:57:49 PM >>> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Source for 18mm x 2.0 Bolt >>> >>> You will have a hard time for that. M18 x 2.5 is standard and first >>> choice fine is 18 x 1.5 . You may have to get it made. >>> >>> Richard Sohn >>> N2071U >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Mark Steitle >>> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:49 PM >>> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Source for 18mm x 2.0 Bolt >>> >>> Anyone know where I can purchase an 18mm x 2.0 bolt? >>> >>> >> >> > --0015174c43c0e77c190496f981cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed,=A0

I totally agree, except were you don't have m= uch other choice, like when plugging the heater port. =A0There isn't en= ough material to drill & tap to a common size. =A0The 18mm was a good f= it, and would have worked out great if we had used a more common pitch, lik= e 1.5. =A0Who would have known that they make taps for non-existent bolt si= zes.

Mark

On Thu, Dec 9, 2= 010 at 6:15 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
I would avoid the "have it made route" = if possible.=A0=20 If for some reason you ever needed a replacement, you'd have to have it= made=20 again.=A0 Although, I must admit, I can't imagine what would ruin an 18= x2.0=20 bolt that wouldn't trash the engine - but you never know {:>).
=A0
I try to stick with easily available standard siz= es if at=20 all possible for just about anything on the aircraft - so I can run down to= =20 local Auto store when away from home and get the part if needed.
=A0
Ed

Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:35 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= /div>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Source for 18mm x 2.0=20 Bolt

From the responses received on this it looks like the best r= oute=20 is to go see the machinist and have one made. =A0Oh, and throw the 18mm x 2= .0=20 tap in the trash. =A0=20

Mark

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Dave <da= vid.staten@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
Bought something bigger, cut it= down...=20 filed the threads into a taper at the tip and played with it carefully so= it=20 didnt cross thread. Thats what I did with our first attempt at a block, w= hen=20 we put an aluminum adapter on the oil pump pad for oil return and PSRU=20 feed.

Later gen used the stock oil return fitting with an AN adapt= er on=20 it.

On 12/8/2010 3:40 PM, Mark Steitle wrote:=20
Kelly,=A0
=A0
Short story is that this is the tap size I had handy that fit the= =20 hole.=A0 We're trying to plug the=A0heater port on the rear=20 housing.=A0 Who would=A0have thought=A0that an=A018mm x=20 2.0=A0would be=A0an oddball size!=A0 We found a place that sells=20 18mm x 2.0 nuts, but they tell us that nobody=A0makes an 18 x 2.0=20 bolt.=A0 That seems=A0hard to believe.=A0 =A0=A0
=A0
Mark=A0

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Kelly Troyer= <= keltro@att.net> wrote:
Mark,
=A0=A0 Try the link below.............What in the world is it=20 for !!.................There may be other sources but
=A0
this is the first one I found.................
=A0

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2"= ; (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
= "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil=20 Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo


=
From: Richard Sohn <= ;res12@fairpoint.n= et>
To: Rotary mot= ors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 = 2:57:49=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRot= ary]=20 Re: Source for 18mm x 2.0 Bolt

You will have a hard time for th= at. M18 x 2.5=20 is standard and first choice fine is 18 x 1.5 . You may have to get i= t=20 made.
=A0
Richard Sohn
N2071U
----- Original Message -----
From:= =20 Mark Steitle
Sent: Wednesday, December 08,= 2010=20 1:49 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Source f= or=20 18mm x 2.0 Bolt

Anyone know where I can purchase an 18mm x 2.0=20 bolt?=A0=20

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