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In a message dated 9/27/2010 7:52:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wrjjrs@aol.com writes:

" Ford could do this any time. You will not see this until it  is cheaper 
to do than current production materials."

Therein lies the key Lynn! There are several very exotic materials that  
could work fine, but are made of unobtainium.
Bill Jepson


Boeing and others are winding miles of carbon fiber onto mandrels to  
produce big fuselages every day.
 
Bucky balls and Bucky strands can be purchased over the internet and are  
produced when oil sludge is burned.
 
The price of Unobtainium is going down. The first peer review comments the  
discoverers of Fullerenes got back when they published was from Bell labs 
(My  old employer) and suggestions and comments looked like two New York City 
 telephone directories. You can weave Bucky strands into a sheet so thin 
you can  see through it, and it's stronger than a sheet of 4130 .0015 thick. 
Remember  invisible aluminum from a Star Trek
movie? You can buy it now.
 
Could Boeing use a spar for the 747 that is 30 tons lighter than aluminum  
and has no life limit for fatigue?
 
When you order a Camero body in carbon fiber from a circle track supply  
house, it comes in a cardboard tube about 14" in diameter. Hood, deck lid roof 
 and 4 fenders in a card board tube. The paint job and the stickers will 
weigh  more than the coachwork.
 
I have been put into shock by a materials discovery only 3 times. At a car  
show I saw two Porsche brake rotors on a table. Porsche used to use giant 
wheel  diameters to get a bigger contact patch, and allow room for brake 
rotors the  size of coffee tables. One of the brake rotors had a length of chain 
that would  limit how close it could get to the edge of the table. I said, 
"what's the deal"  He said "pick that one up first" (The iron version) It 
was heavy, about 15  pounds. No news there. Now this one. I picked up the one 
with the chain, and my  mind locked  up. The chain snatched the rotor from 
my hand. The second  rotor is made of tiny aluminum balls suspended in a 
ceramic foam and baked in an  oven. Weighs 4 pounds. Nearly the strength of 
steel. The chain was because  people would pick it up and throw it over their 
shoulders, or drop it on the  floor. 
Shows no wear at all when carbon brake pads are used. Do not fade even when 
 bright orange. If brake rotors then why not brake calipers? Wheels? 747 
Brake  rotors? It will take 100 years to get that past the FAA. 
 
Never been done before you know.
 
The military has UAVs that look like mud dauber wasps that carry color TV  
cameras.
 
What is next?
 
Lynn E. Hanover 

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<DIV>movie? You can buy it now.</DIV>
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<DIV>Could Boeing use a spar for the 747 that is 30 tons lighter than alum=
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and has no life limit for fatigue?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>I have been put into shock by a materials discovery only 3 times. At=
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show I saw two Porsche brake rotors on a table. Porsche used to use giant=
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rotor is made of tiny aluminum balls suspended in a ceramic foam and baked=
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oven. Weighs 4 pounds. Nearly the strength of steel. The chain was because=
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people would pick it up and throw it over their shoulders, or drop it on=
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floor. </DIV>
<DIV>Shows no wear at all when carbon brake pads are used. Do not fade eve=
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bright orange. If brake rotors then why not brake calipers? Wheels? 747 Br=
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<DIV>The military has UAVs that look like mud dauber wasps that carry colo=
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cameras.</DIV>
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