X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [66.219.56.245] (HELO mail.qnsi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4417785 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:03:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.219.56.245; envelope-from=bhughes@qnsi.net X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Return-Receipt-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" Subject: Good rotary week MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB3379.78048494" Disposition-Notification-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:05:10 -0600 Message-ID: <74120FDE88CAFE4DBDA8814BCE20A3F3208AE6@qnsi-mail.qnsi.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Good rotary week thread-index: AcszdQXzofjq8z2ARBOP6fdr8S1flgABN8wg References: From: "Bobby J. Hughes" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB3379.78048494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, =20 Here's another billet center housing. Very little info provided.=20 =20 http://www.hspnnews.com/index.php/article/new_turbosmart_20b_billet_cent er_plate/ =20 http://www.turbosmartonline.com/index.php?id=3D283 =20 Bobby ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:30 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week Sorry to double up here but while the site indicates that they have an all aluminum housing, have they got any run time on it? I hate to be skeptical, but even the RB housings, which certainly exist, have been holy grail level of scarcity. We need to see some hour long 70% dyno runs on these things before we even consider using them in an airplane. Bill -----Original Message----- From: wrjjrs@aol.com To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 5:20 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week Bruce, If you can find the aluminum 20B intermediate housing anywhere please let me know who is making it. The price for the STOCK cast iron 20B intermediate housing has gone to about $5000.00 on the retail market. I know, Steve and I have been trying to buy one! The stock 20 B intermediate housing weighs 49 pounds! The side housings George was mentioning were custom lightweight housings made in steel that weigh about 1 pound more than the all aluminum housings IE. in a 2 rotor they would be about 3 pounds over the all aluminum parts. The advantage is that you can gas nitride them just like the stock parts. None of the available aluminum housings has ever been run in a long term high-output engine. The Factory Mazda 26B 4 rotor Le Mans engine used aluminum sideplates with an exotic detonation gun applied ceramic coating. No one has reproduced those housings for sale. To my knowledge none of our flying rotaries has used the Racing Beat housings, which are available only for the 13B and are VERY pricey. They also have been notorious for extending delivery times on those housings.=20 Bill Jepson =20 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Mann To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 3:02 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week The Aluminum rotor housings will save you 15 lbs each. I'm not sure how much (in weight) the Aluminum side housings will save you but they are available as well. The 20B Center Housing can be had (in aluminum) as well but it is a bit pricey at $5K +. All available through www.rotaryengine.com =20 Bruce T. put me on to them. ________________________________ From: wrjjrs@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:36 PM To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week Thomas George was speaking of the side plates/intermed housings. Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Mann To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 1:33 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week ..... or go with the aluminum housings already P-Ported. It saves 15 lbs per rotor. ________________________________ From: Dwayne Parkinson Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:20 PM To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week Lightweight carbon steel housings? Where exactly do I find those? =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB3379.78048494 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
 
Here's another billet center housing.  = Very little=20 info provided.
 
http://www.hspnnews.com/index.php/article/new_turbosmar= t_20b_billet_center_plate/
 
http://www.tu= rbosmartonline.com/index.php?id=3D283
 
Bobby

From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:30=20 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Bad rotary week

Sorry to double up here = but while=20 the site indicates that they have an all aluminum housing, have they got = any run=20 time on it? I hate to be skeptical, but even the RB housings, which = certainly=20 exist, have been holy grail level of scarcity. We need to see some hour = long 70%=20 dyno runs on these things before we even consider using them in an=20 airplane.
Bill



-----Original=20 Message-----
From: wrjjrs@aol.com
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 5:20=20 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week

Bruce,
If you can find the aluminum 20B intermediate housing anywhere = please let=20 me know who is making it. The price for the STOCK cast iron 20B = intermediate=20 housing has gone to about $5000.00 on the retail market. I know, Steve = and I=20 have been trying to buy one! The stock 20 B intermediate housing weighs = 49=20 pounds! The side housings George was mentioning were custom lightweight = housings=20 made in steel that weigh about 1 pound more than the all aluminum = housings IE.=20 in a 2 rotor they would be about 3 pounds over the all aluminum = parts. The=20 advantage is that you can gas nitride them just like the stock parts. = None of=20 the available aluminum housings has ever been run in a long term = high-output=20 engine. The Factory Mazda 26B 4 rotor Le Mans engine used aluminum=20 sideplates with an exotic detonation gun applied = ceramic coating. No=20 one has reproduced those housings for sale. To my knowledge none of our = flying=20 rotaries has used the Racing Beat housings, which are available only for = the 13B=20 and are VERY pricey. They also have been notorious for extending = delivery times=20 on those housings.
Bill Jepson  



-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Thomas Mann <tmann@n200lz.com>
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Tue, Aug 3, 2010 3:02 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary = week

The Aluminum = rotor=20 housings will save you 15 lbs each.
I'm not sure how much (in weight) = the=20 Aluminum side housings will save you but they are available as = well.

The=20 20B Center Housing can be had (in aluminum) as well but it is a bit = pricey at=20 $5K +.

All available through www.rotaryengine.com

Bruce T. put me on to=20 them.

From: wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent:=20 Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:36 PM
To: "Rotary motors in = aircraft"=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week

Thomas George was speaking of the side plates/intermed = housings.
Bill Jepson



-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Thomas Mann <tmann@n200lz.com>
To: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Tue, Aug 3, 2010 1:33 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary = week

 ..... = or go with=20 the aluminum housings already P-Ported. It saves 15 lbs per = rotor.

From: Dwayne Parkinson <dwayneparkinson@yahoo.com&g= t;
Sent:=20 Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:20 PM
To: "Rotary motors in = aircraft"=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week

Lightweight carbon steel housings?  Where exactly do I find=20 those?

 

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