X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.241.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4416295 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:33:32 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.41; envelope-from=alventures@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100803003257.MIT956.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:32:57 -0400 Received: from BigAl ([72.199.216.236]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id pcYw1e00a56cS2o03cYxf5; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:32:57 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=atnVLXso/ZAvPKALjQcfOkxYrpEEKc6RlNgW2Y2qy5c= c=1 sm=1 a=d1mSOXFfXCsA:10 a=lN8H/RjlhkCyIsyuOn2r7w==:17 a=jnoIveapAAAA:20 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=UKPAHat8AAAA:8 a=fE7iQbIRAAAA:8 a=RzvKn35NK0whmv7jU8QA:9 a=3257aubMNuoPlKDna1UA:7 a=VBc0fKO-XRkF5cSeFDmbDRV1zU8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9jGa71WdPOcA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=7god_763jbgA:10 a=5vBkdIG2B2fQ7__M:21 a=byYutMc1dy0VS38o:21 a=VEurejcJaMljbaATPdoA:7 a=AgBx7Rbc5DOPmQwP4tx1ZpVmJpsA:4 a=Lcm3yB58wg0421yJ:21 a=53wZKeLNgG78vzLQ:21 a=lN8H/RjlhkCyIsyuOn2r7w==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:33:07 -0800 Message-ID: <0E2EE90E40D24511A1923EB3DEB07CDD@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01CB3268.C5284790" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcsymxOUE5/tQxDiR1mAvFUiM6AoyAAEDRmw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CB3268.C5284790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like the 20B would be the ideal installation. I'm not that much concerned about the parts issue; almost anything you're likely to need = to replace (many hours later) is common to the 13B. =20 Al (Velocity 20B; http://members.cox.net/alg3/airplane.htm ) =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:32 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week =20 Bobby / Tracy - Do either of you know what HP your Renesis is = generating? I'm very curious about the supercharged Renesis. If you know the = installed weight that would be great info too? =20 =20 George - I'm building a Bearhawk on floats and would like 250+ HP. =20 =20 Anyone who cares - I currently fly a Stinson 108-1 behind a Franklin 150 = so I'm painfully aware of how hard it is to come by parts for unique = engines. That makes the 20B much less appealing as an option for me. That being said, I watched from the Sea Plane Base at Oshkosh as an Aeronca Sedan = with 145 HP lumbered across Lake Winnebago trying to get off the water. = People actually cheered when he finally broke a float free. I think he was in Appleton's airspace by the time he got into air (no, I'm not kidding either). That type of performance just won't cut it so anything less = than 230 HP is not an option for me either. =20 Thanks very much. =20 Dwayne =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Bobby J. Hughes To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 6:33:36 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week Dwayne, =20 My super charged renesis uses 1 oz per gallon of 2 stroke oil. So it's = very likely David is using 1 quart every 5 hours. Question is 2-stroke or = sump? No indication I am using any sump oil. But I only have about 35 flight hours. I do have a small internal coolant leak and need to replace an = o-ring when my fiberglass work is finished. I would choose the renesis side = port exhaust over a peripheral port exhaust any day for our application.=20 =20 Bobby Hughes =20 _____ =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:43 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Bad rotary week For anyone hoping that a 16X would show up any time soon: not ... gonna = ... happen. No RX7 and the RX8 is still powered by the Renesis for 2011. =20 http://www.mazdausamedia.com/content/2011-mazda-vehicles-glance =20 As if that's not bad enough, when I was at Oshkosh I took in David = Atkins rotary seminar. I came away pretty depressed thinking that I probably = won't put a rotary engine in my airplane. Is everyone else really using 1 = quart of oil every 5 hours? He also didn't have much good to say about the Renesis in an aviation application which leads me to conclude that the = 16X will fare even worse in aviation applications as it is tweaked to meet higher EPA requirements and produce more low end torque. =20 Is anyone but Tracy using a Renesis? I'd really like to know what HP = you're getting, what the fuel burn is and how it's holding up. =20 Thanks, =20 Dwayne =20 P.S. I couldn't find any rotary planes on the field at Oshkosh. = Perhaps they sank into the mud. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CB3268.C5284790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds like the 20B would be the = ideal installation. I’m not that much concerned about the parts issue; = almost anything you’re likely to need to replace (many hours later) is = common to the 13B.

 

Al (Velocity 20B; http://members.cox.net/= alg3/airplane.htm )

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson
Sent: Monday, August 02, = 2010 3:32 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Bad rotary week

 

Bobby / Tracy -  Do either of you know what HP your Renesis is generating?  I'm very curious about the supercharged Renesis.  If you know = the installed weight that would be great info too? =  

 

George - I'm building a Bearhawk on floats and would like 250+ HP. =  

 

Anyone who cares - I currently fly a Stinson 108-1 behind a Franklin 150 so I'm = painfully aware of how hard it is to come by parts for unique engines.  That makes = the 20B much less appealing as an option for me.  That being said, I = watched from the Sea Plane Base at Oshkosh as an Aeronca Sedan with 145 HP lumbered = across Lake Winnebago trying to get off the water.  People actually = cheered when he finally broke a float free.  I think he was in Appleton's = airspace by the time he got into air (no, I'm not kidding either).  That type = of performance just won't cut it so anything less than 230 HP is not an = option for me either.

 

Thanks very much.

 

Dwayne<= /p>

 

 

 

From: Bobby J. Hughes <bhughes@qnsi.net>
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 = 6:33:36 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Bad rotary week

Dwayne,

 

My super charged = renesis uses 1 oz per gallon of 2 stroke oil. So it's very likely David is = using 1 quart every 5 hours. Question is 2-stroke or sump? No indication I am = using any sump oil. But I only have about 35 flight hours. I do have a small = internal coolant leak and need to replace an o-ring when my fiberglass work is = finished. I would choose the renesis side port exhaust over a peripheral port = exhaust any day for our application.

 

Bobby = Hughes

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson
Sent: Monday, August 02, = 2010 4:43 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Bad = rotary week

For anyone hoping that a 16X would show up any time soon:  not ... gonna ... = happen.  No RX7 and the RX8 is still powered by the Renesis for = 2011.

 

 

As if that's not bad enough, when I was at Oshkosh I took in David Atkins rotary = seminar.  I came away pretty depressed thinking that I probably won't put a = rotary engine in my airplane.  Is everyone else really using 1 quart of = oil every 5 hours?  He also didn't have much good to say about the Renesis in = an aviation application which leads me to conclude that the 16X will fare = even worse in aviation applications as it is tweaked to meet higher EPA = requirements and produce more low end torque.

 

Is anyone but Tracy using a Renesis?  I'd really like to know what HP you're getting, what the fuel burn is and how it's holding = up.

 

Thanks,=

 

Dwayne<= /p>

 

P.S.  I couldn't find any rotary planes on the field at Oshkosh.  Perhaps = they sank into the mud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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