X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [66.219.56.245] (HELO mail.qnsi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4416264 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:59:35 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.219.56.245; envelope-from=bhughes@qnsi.net X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Return-Receipt-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB32A7.5DB54D62" Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:01:12 -0600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" Message-ID: <74120FDE88CAFE4DBDA8814BCE20A3F3208AB0@qnsi-mail.qnsi.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week thread-index: Acsyo8GyqQEWaNIZSm6B7k6PMXzfCQAB3NHg References: From: "Bobby J. Hughes" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB32A7.5DB54D62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dwayne, =20 If you need 250 hp you should consider a 3 rotor. My super charged renesis with 5 psi boost net's about 230-235 hp on take-off. Too many variables to compare installed weights. Mine is to heavy for a number of reasons. An intercooled turbo would do better.=20 =20 Bobby ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:32 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week Bobby / Tracy - Do either of you know what HP your Renesis is generating? I'm very curious about the supercharged Renesis. If you know the installed weight that would be great info too? =20 George - I'm building a Bearhawk on floats and would like 250+ HP. =20 Anyone who cares - I currently fly a Stinson 108-1 behind a Franklin 150 so I'm painfully aware of how hard it is to come by parts for unique engines. That makes the 20B much less appealing as an option for me. That being said, I watched from the Sea Plane Base at Oshkosh as an Aeronca Sedan with 145 HP lumbered across Lake Winnebago trying to get off the water. People actually cheered when he finally broke a float free. I think he was in Appleton's airspace by the time he got into air (no, I'm not kidding either). That type of performance just won't cut it so anything less than 230 HP is not an option for me either. Thanks very much. Dwayne ________________________________ From: Bobby J. Hughes To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 6:33:36 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary week Dwayne, =20 My super charged renesis uses 1 oz per gallon of 2 stroke oil. So it's very likely David is using 1 quart every 5 hours. Question is 2-stroke or sump? No indication I am using any sump oil. But I only have about 35 flight hours. I do have a small internal coolant leak and need to replace an o-ring when my fiberglass work is finished. I would choose the renesis side port exhaust over a peripheral port exhaust any day for our application.=20 =20 Bobby Hughes ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:43 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Bad rotary week For anyone hoping that a 16X would show up any time soon: not ... gonna ... happen. No RX7 and the RX8 is still powered by the Renesis for 2011. http://www.mazdausamedia.com/content/2011-mazda-vehicles-glance =20 As if that's not bad enough, when I was at Oshkosh I took in David Atkins rotary seminar. I came away pretty depressed thinking that I probably won't put a rotary engine in my airplane. Is everyone else really using 1 quart of oil every 5 hours? He also didn't have much good to say about the Renesis in an aviation application which leads me to conclude that the 16X will fare even worse in aviation applications as it is tweaked to meet higher EPA requirements and produce more low end torque. Is anyone but Tracy using a Renesis? I'd really like to know what HP you're getting, what the fuel burn is and how it's holding up. Thanks, Dwayne P.S. I couldn't find any rotary planes on the field at Oshkosh. Perhaps they sank into the mud. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB32A7.5DB54D62 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dwayne,
 
If you need 250 hp you should consider a 3 rotor. = My super=20 charged renesis with 5 psi boost net's about 230-235 hp on take-off. Too = many=20 variables to compare installed weights. Mine is to heavy for a number of = reasons. An intercooled turbo would do better.
 
Bobby


From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne=20 Parkinson
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:32 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad rotary=20 week

Bobby / = Tracy -=20  Do either of=20 you know what HP your Renesis is generating?  I'm very curious = about the=20 supercharged Renesis.  If you know the installed weight that would = be great=20 info too?  

George - = I'm=20 building a Bearhawk on floats and would like 250+ HP. =  

Anyone = who cares - I=20 currently fly a Stinson 108-1 behind a Franklin 150 so I'm painfully = aware of=20 how hard it is to come by parts for unique engines.  That makes the = 20B=20 much less appealing as an option for me.  That being said, I = watched from=20 the Sea Plane Base at Oshkosh as an Aeronca Sedan with 145 HP lumbered = across=20 Lake Winnebago trying to get off the water.  People actually = cheered when=20 he finally broke a float free.  I think he was in Appleton's = airspace by=20 the time he got into air (no, I'm not kidding either).  That type = of=20 performance just won't cut it so anything less than 230 HP is not an = option for=20 me either.

Thanks = very=20 much.

Dwayne




From: Bobby J. Hughes=20 <bhughes@qnsi.net>
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 6:33:36 = PM
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Bad=20 rotary week

Dwayne,
 
My super charged renesis uses 1 oz per gallon = of 2 stroke=20 oil. So it's very likely David is using 1 quart every 5 hours. Question = is=20 2-stroke or sump? No indication I am using any sump oil. But I only have = about=20 35 flight hours. I do have a small internal coolant leak and need = to=20 replace an o-ring when my fiberglass work is finished. I would choose = the=20 renesis side port exhaust over a peripheral port exhaust any day for our = application.
 
Bobby Hughes


From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne=20 Parkinson
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:43 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Bad rotary=20 week

For = anyone hoping=20 that a 16X would show up any time soon:  not ... gonna ... happen. =  No=20 RX7 and the RX8 is still powered by the Renesis for 2011.


As if = that's not bad=20 enough, when I was at Oshkosh I took in David Atkins rotary seminar. =  I=20 came away pretty depressed thinking that I probably won't put a rotary = engine in=20 my airplane.  Is everyone else really using 1 quart of oil every 5 = hours?=20  He also=20 didn't have much good to say about the Renesis in an aviation = application which=20 leads me to conclude that the 16X will fare even worse in aviation = applications=20 as it is tweaked to meet higher EPA requirements and produce more low = end=20 torque.

Is = anyone but Tracy=20 using a Renesis?  I'd really like to know what HP you're getting, = what the=20 fuel burn is and how it's holding up.

Thanks,

Dwayne

P.S. =  I=20 couldn't find any rotary planes on the field at Oshkosh.  Perhaps = they sank=20 into the mud.






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