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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 23:24:15 -0600
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: high/low pressure pumps question
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Charlie,

I initially set my fuel system up with a Facet low pressure transfer pump t=
ee'd into the return line.  This system required that the Facet pump run 50=
% of the time in order to keep the fuel tanks balanced.  Others have done t=
his successfully.  I didn't like having to run the Facet pump this much and=
 eventually went to a duplex valve of my own design and eliminated the tran=
sfer pump altogether.  In my case, I had the return flow from the engine tu=
rning 90 degrees inside the tee where the transfer flow was added.  Having =
the return flow straight through the tee and the transfer flow joining from=
 the side may have worked better, but I didn't try this.

Steve Boese
RV6A, 1986 13B NA, RD1A, EC2


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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of =
Charlie England [ceengland@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:58 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: high/low pressure pumps question

Hi Ed, thanks for the info. Yours was actually the only photo I could
find during a quick search. I'm guessing that the regulator will be
bypassing 6 or 8 times the amount of fuel the engine consumes, so that
would seem to be at least twice the volume the Facet is capable of
pumping. If no one has plowed this ground yet, I suppose that some
experimentation is in order.

Charlie

On 6/3/2010 6:31 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> All my pumps, but the Facet, are on the forward face of the Firewall,
> so can=92t help you there.
>
> Regarding =93T=94 the Facet pump, Pressure will generally overwhelm
> volume, you can think of a large mass of slow moving fluid as being
> effectively a stationary pool of liquid (taking it to the extreme of
> no motion), so a higher pressure fluid would simply squirt into the
> larger volume liquid similar to as it if were a large tank). Yes, if
> the larger mass were moving at a much higher velocity, it might in
> effect offer a shearing force across the opening to the facet pump and
> have detrimental effect (possibly) =96 but I doubt you are going to have
> that kind of fluid velocity in your return line.
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
>
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>
> Matthews, NC
>
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
> http://www.andersonee.com
>
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>
> http://www.flyrotary.com/
>
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> <http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm>
>
> http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> *On Behalf Of *Charlie England
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:22 PM
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] high/low pressure pumps question
>
> A couple of questions:
>
> Have any of you RV-x builders considered putting your pumps on the aft
> side of the spar, to keep the cabin & engine compartment 'clean'? It
> looks like it would be possible, by using the existing holes for wire
> in the center section (RV-7). If not, are you just putting them under
> the center cover between the seats & raising it up a bit?
>
> Also, how about running the transfer (Facet) pump's output line T-d
> into the main pump's return line? There should be minimal pressure,
> but will the high pressure pump's much larger volume overwhelm the
> modest Facet transfer pump? (Or, maybe venturi effect would eliminate
> the need for a Facet....)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>


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