X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.92.127] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with SMTP id 4331443 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 31 May 2010 09:32:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.147.92.127; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: (qmail 67662 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2010 13:32:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1275312733; bh=h0TAiaufnHeFbphyOFLpiyk2egp9XhmgGhkPp7HoksY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Cyrr8jhRY0mrs7zMBJpXyiH3/kKLQMpXKazNKJih7AEOq6UaIDxM5LXTx7GeaXg1hCDVl+V92kqNhrATj7vFuzbo4DwSc9ZsTBHrStPZDe4X/jq3/1dr0Eo5CtlhDX4x5Gkx1vReoMC7brwizDsfXOOiwKzVPezNX/WFlFS/5ik= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; 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boundary="0-893311547-1275312732=:66901" --0-893311547-1275312732=:66901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed,=0A=C2=A0 Totally understand your reluctance in the environment you just= described..........My highest jump was from 21,500msl=0Afrom a KingAir and= airspeed much less than 400+ kts..............We used oxygen until bailout= and other than being cold=0Athe worst part was the slight shaving rash we = got on our faces from frozen water droplets as we fell (They have pointed= =0Atails)............I flew as a aircrewmen (Radar) in the Navy and still h= ave my=C2=A0training card from Altitude Chamber and also=0AMartin Baker Eje= ction Seat checkout..........They used a reduced charge in the 20mm shell t= o shoot us up a rail and we=0Aall heard the horror stories from full charge= ejections...........They new rocket propelled seats are said to be a littl= e more=0Aprogressive and not quite as hard on the back..............<:)=C2= =A0Kelly Troyer=0A"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"Mi= stral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________= __=0AFrom: Ed Anderson =0ATo: Rotary motors in a= ircraft =0ASent: Mon, May 31, 2010 6:39:42 AM= =0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject]=0A=0A=0AI was leaning th= at way in interpreting the facial expression, Al. {:>)=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A= I flew over 2500 hours in the Military, mostly in B-52 Bombers and EB-66 es= corts, I was not infrequently asked whether I had ever bailed out (Nope!) o= r whether I had any desire for the experience (Nope!).=0A=C2=A0=0AOf course= , in our case, Bail-out involved, jettison the ejection hatch during some d= ire emergency exposing you to the near vacuum and cold of 30,000- 40,000 + = Feet, followed by a 20mm shell exploding under your butt, which compressed = you down to 2/3 you normal sitting height as it blew you out of the aircraf= t into 400+Kt windsteam.=C2=A0 This exciting ejection event (even more exci= ting if you forgot to retract your limbs inside the safe ejection profile) = =C2=A0was =C2=A0followed by being hit in the face by a barely sub-mach air = stream which could (and did) break limbs, air blast your face, etc.=C2=A0 I= f you remembered to lower your face shield =E2=80=93 most of that could be = avoided and your oxygen mask provided some projection against your lungs be= ing over inflated by this airstream=0A=C2=A0=0AThen if everything went righ= t and you had remember to activate you 2000 psi emergency oxygen bottle (wh= ich forced oxygen into your lungs at such a pressure and rate =E2=80=93 you= would swear you were going to blow up like a balloon because of the effort= it took to exhale against this flow), =C2=A0you fell for 20,000-30,000 ft = hoping your parachute was packed by the best in the parachute shop until it= forcible opened.=C2=A0 Then if you were lucky and avoided landing in mount= ain crags, tops or trees (or heaven forbid =E2=80=93 water) =C2=A0safely, y= ou could wait hours or perhaps days to be picked up.=0A=C2=A0=0AFortunately= , I missed that exciting event, but tales of those who had not, sort of col= ored my viewpoint about leaving a perfectly good aircraft.=0A=C2=A0=0ASo NO= , never really interested {:>)=0A=C2=A0=0AEd=0A=C2=A0=0AEd Anderson=0ARv-6A= N494BW Rotary Powered=0AMatthews, NC=0Aeanderson@carolina.rr.com=0Ahttp://= www.andersonee.com=0Ahttp://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html=0Ahttp://www.fly= rotary.com/=0Ahttp://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW=0Ah= ttp://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm=0A=0A___________________= _____________=0A=0AFrom:Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancair= online.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietzen=0ASent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:33 AM=0A= To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subj= ect]=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AI generally glide WITH my airplane {:>) =E2=80=93 = Looks like you are either having the time of your life or scared sh=E2=80= =A6..s, can=E2=80=99t quite tell from the expression on your face {:>)=0A= =C2=A0=0AThat is =E2=80=98wind augmentation=E2=80=99 of a smile.=C2=A0 Pict= ures snapped during the first couple seconds out of the plane look more lik= e the =E2=80=98scared sh=E2=80=A6..s=E2=80=99 variety.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99= t recall feeling scared =C2=A0=E2=80=93 just feeling a hell of an adrenalin= rush =E2=80=93 or is that the same thingJ?=0A=C2=A0=0AAl --0-893311547-1275312732=:66901 Content-Type: text/html; 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Ed,
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  Totally understa= nd your reluctance in the environment you just described..........My highes= t jump was from 21,500msl
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from a KingAir and airspeed much les= s than 400+ kts..............We used oxygen until bailout and other than be= ing cold
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the worst part was the slight shaving rash we got on = our faces from frozen water droplets as we fell (They have pointed
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tails)............I flew as a aircrewmen (Radar) in the Navy and still= have my training card from Altitude Chamber and also
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Mar= tin Baker Ejection Seat checkout..........They used a reduced charge in the= 20mm shell to shoot us up a rail and we
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all heard the horror = stories from full charge ejections...........They new rocket propelled seat= s are said to be a little more
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progressive and not quite as ha= rd on the back..............<:) 
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_= 13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold= =0A

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=0AFrom:= Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net>
Sent: Mon,= May 31, 2010 6:39:42 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject]

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I was leaning that way in inte= rpreting the facial expression, Al. {:>)

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I flew over 2500 hours in = the Military, mostly in B-52 Bombers and EB-66 escorts, I was not infrequen= tly asked whether I had ever bailed out (Nope!) or whether I had any desire= for the experience (Nope!).

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<= FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>Of course, in our case, Bail-out involved, je= ttison the ejection hatch during some dire emergency exposing you to the ne= ar vacuum and cold of 30,000- 40,000 + Feet, followed by a 20mm shell explo= ding under your butt, which compressed you down to 2/3 you normal sitting h= eight as it blew you out of the aircraft into 400+Kt windsteam.  This = exciting ejection event (even more exciting if you forgot to retract your l= imbs inside the safe ejection profile)  was  followed by being hi= t in the face by a barely sub-mach air stream which could (and did) break l= imbs, air blast your face, etc.  If you remembered to lower your face = shield =E2=80=93 most of that could be avoided and your oxygen mask provide= d some projection against your lungs being over inflated by this airstream<= /SPAN>

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Then if everything went right and you had remember to activate you 2000 = psi emergency oxygen bottle (which forced oxygen into your lungs at such a = pressure and rate =E2=80=93 you would swear you were going to blow up like = a balloon because of the effort it took to exhale against this flow),  = ;you fell for 20,000-30,000 ft hoping your parachute was packed by the best= in the parachute shop until it forcible opened.  Then if you were luc= ky and avoided landing in mountain crags, tops or trees (or heaven forbid = =E2=80=93 water)  safely, you could wait hours or perhaps days to be p= icked up.

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Fortunately, I missed that exciting event, but tales of those w= ho had not, sort of colored my viewpoint about leaving a perfectly good air= craft.

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So NO, never really interested {:>)

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Ed

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Ed Anderson

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Matth= ews, NC

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ean= derson@carolina.rr.com

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http://www.andersonee.com

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http://www.dmack.net/maz= da/index.html

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http://www.flyrotary.com/

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [m= ailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Al Gietzen
Sen= t: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:33 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject]

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I= generally glide WITH my airplane {:>) =E2=80=93 Looks like you are eith= er having the time of your life or scared sh=E2=80=A6..s, can=E2=80=99t qui= te tell from the expression on your face {:>)

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the first couple seconds out of the plane look more like the =E2=80=98scared sh=E2=80=A6..s=E2=80=99 variety.  I don=E2=80=99t recall feeling scared &nb=
sp;=E2=80=93 just feeling a hell of an adrenalin rush =E2=80=93 or is that =
the same thingJ=
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Al
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