X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from securemail.ever-tek.com ([64.129.170.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4327566 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 26 May 2010 22:01:35 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D302BF811A2FCDMAIL06FCDATA_" Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 01:50:36 +0000 From: Chris Barber Message-ID: <2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D302BF811A2@FCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from fcd-mail06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([2002:404:40b::404:40b]) byFCD-MAIL06.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([2002:404:40b::404:40b]) with mapi; Wed, 26 May2010 20:50:38 -0500 Subject: Rotary HP reviisted....now that I know more about it all...kinda. Thread-Index: AQHK/T8E75nSaSS2UEKYvFkJUi0ppQ== Thread-Topic: Rotary HP reviisted....now that I know more about itall...kinda. To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Modus-SURBL: =OK X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D302BF811A2FCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this must have been discussed, but perhaps more in passing or in som= e of Tracy's literature (now kinda dated, especially with some of the strid= es he continues to make), but what is the conventional wisdom as to rotary = horsepower? I know when I first started looking into it, oh many years ago= , it seemed the impression I got was that you could pretty easily achieve 2= 00 hp, however, that is now a bit lower. Some of the tricks to get the hig= her HP was mild and medium porting, bridge, "J" and "P" porting. Then ther= e was the option of turbo...the one, in combination with a medium street po= rt, I chose. What say Ye? When started today, mine was turning about 6200 rpm at 35 MP (with a 3 lb s= pring in the wastegate).....it surged forward against the chocks and breaks= . IVO prop full fine. Nice feel of power even if it likes to heat up fast = in 90 degree weather like this. Also, I think this was discussed before too, when I go WOT my engine develo= ps up to about 6250 rpm, but then drops a couple/few hundred rpm to usually= just under 6000....sometimes just above. Thoughts? Ed, (perhaps Al)it se= ems you may have chimed in before. Regrettably, when I search the archives= I tend to get frustrated due to thread drift. I heard a lot about porting when I was initially investigating all this and= I chose to use a medium street port. I let Mazdatrix do the work. That b= eing said, I have read all but nothing on others porting their engines (oth= er than a LOT from PL on P ports). Since standard porting does not reporte= dly effect reliability, only, potentially low low idle (I can idle as low a= s about 1300 rpm when warm smoothly) why is it not discussed and/or utilize= d more? Just curious guys/gals. Discuss All the best, Chris Barber Houston, GSOT ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of = Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:15 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: 3 view w-10 003, first flight Always loved the lines of a Tailwind =96 in fact, I have the plans and lice= nse to build a W-10 sitting on my book shelf. Unfortunately, I doubt I=92l= l ever get around to it. Ok with thermostat in the system holding it at 190F =96 we really won=92t k= now how much reserve capacity you have in your cooling system until the pow= er goes up. I agree with George, 200HP out of an N/A 13B is really pushing it. I think= 180HP is a more realistic expectation =96 but, hey you never know. It ama= zing how power goes up when things come together. Enjoy and fly safe. Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of John Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:36 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Emailing: 3 view w-10 003, first flight My most humble thank you to flyrotary and all you fine folks that have help= ed bring my project to flight. Ed and many others whom I won't try to name= here because I would miss many. The plane is a Wittman Tailwind W-10, emp= ty wt. is 981 and it is a tri-gear, Wt. is within 6 #'s of similar trikes = w/ 0-320 engines. I have the thermostat in the engine because most of the = year it is not very hot, if we get 50 days with the temperature over 70, we= have had a hot summer, not a lot of beach bunny activity. 7-1 I'll be 74 = and have realized my dream, now it's all gravy. Again, thanks guys!! John= D Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachment= s: 3 view w-10 003 --_000_2D41F9BF3B5F9842B164AF93214F3D302BF811A2FCDMAIL06FCDATA_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know this must have been discussed, but perhaps more in passing or i= n some of Tracy's literature (now kinda dated, especiall= y with some of the strides he continues to make), but what is the conventio= nal wisdom as to rotary horsepower?  I know when I first started looking into it, oh many years ago, it seemed = the impression I got was that you could pretty easily achieve 200 hp, howev= er, that is now a bit lower.  Some of the tricks to get the higher HP = was mild and medium porting, bridge, "J" and "P" porting.  Then there was the option o= f turbo...the one, in combination with a medium street port, I chose.
 
What say Ye?
 
When started today, mine was turning about 6200 rpm at 35 MP (with a 3= lb spring in the wastegate).....it surged forward against th= e chocks and breaks.  IVO prop full fine. Nice feel= of power even if it likes to heat up fast in 90 degree weather like this.
 
Also, I think this was discussed before too, when I go WOT= my engine develops up to about 6250 rpm, but then drops= a couple/few hundred rpm to usually just under 6000....sometimes just abov= e.  Thoughts?  Ed, (perhaps Al)it seems you may have chimed in before.  Regrettably, when I search the&nbs= p;archives I tend to get frustrated due to thread drift.
 
I heard a lot about porting when I was initially investigating all thi= s and I chose to use a medium street port.  I let Mazdatrix do the work.  That being said, I have read all but nothing on= others porting their engines (other than a LOT from PL on P ports).  Since standard porting does not reportedly effe= ct reliability, only, potentially low low idle (I can id= le as low as about 1300 rpm when warm smoothly) why is it not discussed and= /or utilized more?
 
Just curious guys/gals.  Discuss <g>
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston, GSOT
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary= @lancaironline.net] on behalf of Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:15 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: 3 view w-10 003, first flight

Always loved th= e lines of a Tailwind =96 in fact, I have the plans and license to build a = W-10 sitting on my book shelf.  Unfortunately, I doubt I=92ll ever get around to it.

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Ok with thermos= tat in the system holding it at 190F =96 we really won=92t know how much re= serve capacity you have in your cooling system until the power goes up.

&= nbsp;

I agree with Ge= orge, 200HP out of an N/A 13B is really pushing it.  I think 180HP is = a more realistic expectation =96 but, hey you never know.  It amazing how power goes up when things come together.=

&= nbsp;

Enjoy and fly s= afe.


From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.n= et] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 20= 10 2:36 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircra= ft
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My most humble thank you to flyrotary and a= ll you fine folks that have helped bring my project to flight.&nb= sp; Ed and many others whom I won't try to name here because I would miss many.  The plane is a Wittman Tailwind W-10, empty wt. i= s 981 and it is a tri-gear,  Wt. is within 6 #'s of similar trikes w/ = 0-320 engines.  I have the thermostat in the engine because most of th= e year it is not very hot, if we get 50 days with the temperature over 70, we have had a hot summer, not a lot of beach bunn= y activity.  7-1 I'll be 74 and have realized my dream, now it's all g= ravy.  Again, thanks guys!!  JohnD

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