Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #51278
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Rear Rotor Coolant Leak
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 20:12:32 -0400
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Bobby, I presume you are using the Teflon coat silicon coolant “O” rings and not the stock Mazda ones.  What I have had happen to me after sitting for a long period (particularly in cool weather) is that apparently these harder “O” rings tend to set up or not seal as well as the softer stock “O” rings.  As a consequence, I have come out to find a drop of two of green coolant hanging off my exhaust pipes.  To make a long story short after pulling the engine through a few times and then firing it up and running it up to 160F for about 2 minutes, the problem disappeared. 

 

I have also found that if you do indeed have a small leak (the quantity you mentioned suggest that) that firing up the engine perhaps permits some combustion gases to enter the coolant galley – this raises the pressure in the coolant galley which turns around and pushes on the seal seating if for a secure seal.

 

Two things to watch for – if you do have a serious leak into your coolant system, your coolant pressure gauge should reflect this.  After I had severely and totally cooked one of my O rings due to a hasty rebuild that resulting in the triangular part of the apex seal ending up between rotor and side housing – which created so much friction it turn the iron housing blue for the area the size of a sliver dollar and shrunk the O ring in that area down to little more than a tread in diameter,  I still flew from North Carolina to Mississippi.  I did notice that my coolant pressure increase approx 1 psi for each 45 minutes of flight.  By the time I arrived at Mississippi, the coolant pressure was up to 18 psi (temperature was still OK). 

 

The system was still sealed.  Around 1 hour after I landed I was at the aircraft cowl – off and while folks watch I popped the safety release valve on the radiator cap and a stream of greenish liquid shot about 3 feet into the air.  So the combustion gases actually kept the seal sealing (more or less) sufficient to make a long flight.

 

Good Luck, Bobby

 

Ed

 

 

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bobby J. Hughes
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:45 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Rear Rotor Coolant Leak

 

 

I have developed a small coolant leak in the #2 rotor of my renesis. It seems to be limited to the engine sitting for long periods of time. I discovered it when checking the plugs after the engine had not been started for a couple of months while fitting the new supercharger. The leading plug was wet. Pulling the prop through sprayed some coolant out of the leading plug hole. I checked the fluid level and it was a little lower than I remember.  I added some water and marked the level on a stick for reference. The next day I check the level and found no measurable drop.  Since I had just installed the larger supercharger I decided to do a few ground runs and check the coolant for leaks and keep a close eye on the water pressure. I made several ground runs and everything was normal. The plane was schedule for body work at a paint shop as soon as I could make the 50 mile trip. I waited a few days and rechecked the fluid level. Again no measurable drop.  I then made three short flights around the airport to check out the new supercharger and kept a close eye on water pressure and temps. Everything was normal. After checking the coolant level the next day I made the trip to the painters. The flight was normal but the pilot was a little nervous.

 

 The plane has not been started for six weeks and it sprayed maybe two tablespoons of coolant when pulling the prop through. I did not have my measuring stick but I could tell coolant level was a little lower then the last time I had checked it.

 

I will most likely have to replace the o-ring. I overheated one time last summer during a ¾ mile uphill taxi and OAT above 100F. The tarmac temps could have been 115F. I shut the engine down when the coolant temps got to 225F but they kept climbing. I think it took two gallons of water to refill the system.

 

 Since my water pressure is normal and does not leak down rapidly after shutdown is it possible the engine heat is sealing the O-ring ?  Maybe I just need to re-torque the big bolts.

 

Bobby Hughes

RV10 Renesis

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