Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #50881
From: Dwayne Parkinson <dwayneparkinson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Tangential muffler
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:50:23 -0700 (PDT)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sounds like you've tinkered with mufflers a lot.  Have you ever employed a conical tail pipe?


From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 1:43:38 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Tangential muffler

Dwane,
 
OK, you hold your hand over the end while I rev it up.  ;-0 
 
Keep in mind that in an earlier muffler design similar to the Moroso Spiralflow, I had an AN-3 bolt holding the baffle in place.  After a few hours the bolt had gotten so hot that it sagged, resembling a horseshoe.  The rotary's exhaust has proven to be a force to be reconed with.  Hopefully, this will be the last muffler I have to build for a while.
 
Mark

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Dwayne Parkinson <dwayneparkinson@yahoo.com> wrote:
This is a very interesting approach.  Thanks for posting the pictures.  It would be very interesting (at least to me) to measure the exhaust gas pulses at the tail pipe with this design.  I wonder if it will normalize the pulses at all so you have an almost steady stream of exhaust gases coming out of the pipe.




From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 10:24:07 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Tangential muffler

 

 

Ernest;

 

I agree that the geometry of the geometry of the cuts is certainly not ideal; and if it were 321SS or similar; yes, I’d expect it would it to disintegrate in about 50 hrs or less.  But inconel is very corrosion resistant and very strong up to 2000+F.  There will be some self-annealing of the stresses at 1700F.  It would be interesting to know what temp it actually gets to because there is some expansion cooling of the gases in the muffler.

 

Also it is very tough stuff – trying to drill or file inconel will just wear out the tools.  Holes have to be punched, cut with water jet, or some other technique.

 

It will be interesting to see how it stands up; but I think it has a good chance to prove to be quite durable.

 

Al

 

A grinder will leave two fairly severe 90 degree corners on every edge

of the cut slot.  Compounding this is the fact that the side grinder

cuts a circle.  The end of each slot will be left with a knife edge

profile pointing back toward the slot.  This will create some mean

stress risers.  The expectation is that this tube is to live in an

environment that has to be the closest thing to hell on Earth we could

imagine (extreme heat and constant sonic blasts).

 

I would have suggested drilling 3/16" holes and connecting them with the

grinder.  Unless the inside tube is fabricated different than what I

understand, I can't help but to think that it will have a very short

life.  Cracks will start in the corners of each slot, and the tube will

disintegrate. Can it be easily pulled apart so that you could run a

round needle file down both sides of all the slots to round them out?

 

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