Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #50870
From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Tangential muffler
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:21:54 -0400
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

How many O2 sensors do you have?  Did you mean EGT probes?

That is really a good looking install. 

Did you try and tune your intake tubes?  I am not sure how important that would be with a PP.  The intake never gets closed off.  There is just a seal passing by that cuts Lynn’s “sausage” of air on the diagonal and begins to direct it into the next rotor face.  I think Lynn should have been a teacher.  When he explains something you know about all about it you are ever going to understand.

Have you noticed any power differences running it on the ground?  I guess with the CS prop set for takeoff, you might get a higher rpm?  Or maybe there would only be a high pitched scream that would be the tires as the plane is dragged all over!  :>) 

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:02 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Tangential muffler

Ernest,

 

Copy you on that!  What material type and thickness was the Mistral muffler?  Anyone know what their design was like?  I know that something fatigued and plugged the flow, but I never saw a drawing of their muffler or had anyone explain how the failure actually occurred.  It could have been a baffle plate that was not well supported on all sides.  I don't see how that could happen to my muffler as the tube is welded to both end plates and the exhaust gasses don't strike the tube directly but swirl around it.  Yes, a piece may fatigue over time and crack off, but I can't imagine how it could plug up the exhaust path.  But I guess anything is possible if Murphy has his way.  I'll keep a close eye on it though.  With a little finessing, I'm pretty sure I can get my little inspection camera up the tailpipe.  If that fails, I can remove one of the O2 sensors and stick the camera through the hole for a peek inside. 

 

Mark   

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com> wrote:

Mark Steitle wrote:

Ernest,
 Yes, I can inspect it by looking up the tailpipe with a borescope.  I can also look in through the three inlets.  Initially I tried drilling holes but soon realized that this was futile.  That's when I turned to the side grinder.  Material is .065 inconel and is supported on both ends.  If it starts coming apart I can cut the ends off and try something else.   Mark

If you need a borescope to inspect it, there's no way you're going to get a tool in there to round out the sides.  Keep a close eye on those slot corners.  The worst case would be a chunk coming loose just enough to bend over and clog the exhaust.  Mistral's  test pilot is reported to say, "That sucks."

 

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