X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.4) with ESMTP id 4181518 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:38:07 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.52; envelope-from=keltro@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; q=dns/txt; d=att.net; s=dkim01; i=keltro@att.net; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1269790688; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=Bpb4eq OLSQbu7t5wvg5gPtfOCX6RS4I0kmP5bfkIDmM=; b=k6qGmp35jaBj6aQ89YivZC2dS 92nhwBoVRXAfAbU1/PbA8G20gknF6NNxQA0EeLANSOuhH8dxaCgY8t7immdbQ== Received: from fwebmail14.isp.att.net ([207.115.9.154]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20100328153732H0200kspjae>; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:37:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.9.154] Received: from [208.114.40.41] by fwebmail14.isp.att.net; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:37:31 +0000 From: "Kelly Troyer" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: almost there Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:37:31 +0000 Message-Id: <032820101537.2159.4BAF77BA000DDF280000086F22230650629B0A02D29B9B0EBF019D9B040A05@att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 2 2009) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2159_1269790651_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2159_1269790651_0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike McGee we sure could use the 13B mounting plate you were working on !!.= ............... Making some engine parts to facilitate a conversion and producing a compreh= ensive firewall forward package are two entirely different things. From a l= iability standpoint, I'd be really reluctant to jump into making a firewall= forward package for homebuilders............=20=20 If Anyone Wants to Produce Something to Help Promote Rotary Engine Conversi= ons, the best approach in my opinion is to produce the items needed to buil= d up a good lightweight core engine.............. Tracy already makes pretty much everything else, short of airframe specific= items to facilitate a conversion. I agree, Tracy has a good business model= . I was really encouraged by the progress Powersport made, especially when i= t was in the hands of Everett Hatch and Steve Beckham.When Ratek took it ov= er, they spent a lot of time dealing with model specific issues like coolin= g and........"Mounting The Engine".......... If there were a few more items available, like the elusive wear-coated alum= inum end and middle housings........ "With Built- In Engine Mount Shock Mou= nt Provisions",...............=20 P-port modified rotor housings, lightweight wrapover intake manifold and pl= enum(with a choice of forward or rear facing throttle body), then I think w= e'd be closer to having a more universal rotary engine package.=20 "A Big Stumbing Block is How to Mount the Rotary".... How about configuring= it in such a way so as to be able to be mounted right up to a....."Conical= Mount"....... This would lead up to the ability for various builders to = step in and mass produce cowls, exhaust systems, and cooling systems for t= he various Van's aircraft with rotary engines.=20 The rotary engine is a great engine, if these four things- cooling, ignitio= n, fuel delivery and "Mounting", and exhaust are done correctly, it can't = be beat. (Snip)=20 Brian Trubee -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 -------------- Original message from Mike McGee : --= ------------=20 Hey, I recognize that prop..P-) =EF=BB=BF=20 I know it isn't as cool turbo/super charger stuff, but my test trailer is a= lmost ready. having weight/balance problems already! =E2=98=BA good thing= I have a carb and only need a few psi for fuel pressure, otherwise I'd nee= d a pretty tall post for my temporary gas tank! if I get 180hp will it bea= t my truck[4 cyl] in a tug-o-war? KevinLane Carpentry www.KevinLaneCarpentry.com Mike & Diana ..at large somewhere on the planet.. -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.= html --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2159_1269790651_0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2159_1269790651_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2159_1269790651_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike McGee we sure could use the 13B mounting p= late you were working on !!................
 

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Making some engine p= arts to facilitate a conversion and producing a comprehensive firewall forw= ard package are two entirely different things. From a liability standpoint,= I'd be really reluctant to jump into making a firewall forward package for= homebuilders............ 
 
If Anyone Wants to P= roduce Something to Help Promote Rotary Engine Conversions, the best approa= ch in my opinion is to produce the items needed to build up a good lightwei= ght core engine..............
 
Tracy already makes = pretty much everything else, short of airframe specific items to facilitate= a conversion. I agree, Tracy has a good business model.
 
 I was really e= ncouraged by the progress Powersport made, especially when it was in the ha= nds of Everett Hatch and Steve Beckham.When Ratek took it over, they spent = a lot of time dealing with model specific issues like cooling and= ........"Mounting The Engine"..........
 
If there were a= few more items available, like the elusive wear-coated aluminum end and mi= ddle housings........ "With Built- In Engine Mount Shock Mount Provisions",= ...............
 
P-port modified roto= r housings, lightweight wrapover intake manifold and plenum(with a choice o= f forward or rear facing throttle body), then I think we'd be closer to hav= ing a more universal rotary engine package. 
 
"A Big Stumbing Bloc= k is How to Mount the Rotary".... How about configuring it in such a way so= as to be able to be mounted right up to a....."Conical  Mount".......= This would lead up to the ability for various builders  to = step in and mass produce cowls, exhaust systems, and cooling systems  = for the various Van's aircraft with rotary engines.
 
The rotary engine is= a great engine, if these four things- cooling, ignition, fuel delivery and= "Mounting", and exhaust  are done correctly, it can't be beat.&n= bsp; (Snip)
 
Brian Trubee
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Kelly Troyer <= BR>"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Back= plate/Oil Manifold



 
-------------- Original message from Mike McGee <jmpcrftr= @teleport.com>: --------------

Hey, I recognize that prop..P-)


=EF=BB= =BF
I know it isn't as cool turbo/super charg= er stuff, but my test trailer is almost ready.  having weight/balance = problems already! =E2=98=BA  good thing I have a carb and only need a = few psi for fuel pressure, otherwise I'd need a pretty tall post for my tem= porary gas tank!  if I get 180hp will it beat my truck[4 cyl] in a tug= -o-war?
 
 
KevinLane Carpentry
www.KevinLaneCarpentry.com
Mike & Diana
..at large somewhere on the planet..

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