X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.103] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4142430 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:52:13 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.103; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-230-68-40.mco.bellsouth.net[74.230.68.40]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20100301215136H03001bgq3e>; Mon, 1 Mar 2010 21:51:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.230.68.40] From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Another mini-milestone Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:51:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01CAB95F.762701E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acq5YFbvKLbbkYeES92jqT7hIxOSGwAKI5WA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CAB95F.762701E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, I am considering doing somewhat the same thing. I think the term is "required crew member". I just wondered if you had the DAR inspector put this in your COA, or if you just did it. I am concerned that if it goes in the COA, it will be permanent. ??? Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Whaley Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 12:00 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Another mini-milestone Hi Bill, on the first few flights I was actually Flight Engineer, never touched the controls but log-booked as Dual - a bit questionable but it was safer to have me there watching the engine instruments - the pilot/class1 instructor wanted me there - he had enough to deal with. As I worked away at getting the bugs out I was back and forth from right seat to left but with little continuity as it took weeks/months between modifications and next flight. Once the bugs were finally worked out (~6 hrs of 0.1-0.5 flight days over a course of 10 months) I switched to left seat and started transition training in January. Being there from the start, through the all trial and error modifications gave me a good perspective of what the engine and airframe were capable of. BTW, it is perfectly legal to get dual-instruction on a homebuilt, even with a temporary COA. Jeff From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:23 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Another mini-milestone Jeff, What did you take your transition training in? Did you fly dual at the beginning? What about your first flight? Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Whaley Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:38 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Another mini-milestone Yesterday after 3.5 hours of tail-dragger transition training, I finally soloed in my 13B-powered homebuilt; I was a bit nervous taxiing back to the threshold but as the wheels left the ground I knew it was going to be okay. My first landing was a bouncer but I kept it straight - followed up with a few greasers and a couple more bouncers; it was a great day. I was expecting a big increase in climb rate without 200 lbs in the right seat but have to say it was not significant; I guess the power loading and those big wings aren't affected as much as an under-powered short wing Piper. With 11 trouble-free hours and now solo, I'll start building up more time after a 2 week hiatus in Mexico. Jeff This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. Thank you. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01CAB95F.762701E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jeff,

I am considering doing somewhat = the same thing.  I think the term is “required crew = member”.  I just wondered if you had the DAR inspector put this in your COA, or if you = just did it.  I am concerned that if it goes in the COA, it will be permanent.  ??? 

 

Bill = B

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Whaley
Sent: Monday, March 01, = 2010 12:00 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Another mini-milestone

Hi Bill, on the first few = flights I was actually Flight Engineer, never touched the controls but log-booked as = Dual – a bit questionable but it was safer to have me there watching = the engine instruments - the pilot/class1 instructor wanted me there – = he had enough to deal with.  As I worked away at getting the bugs out I = was back and forth from right seat to left but with little continuity as it took weeks/months between modifications and next = flight.

Once the bugs were finally = worked out (~6 hrs of 0.1-0.5 flight days over a course of 10 months) I switched to = left seat and started transition training in = January.

Being there from the start, = through the all trial and error modifications gave me a good perspective of what the = engine and airframe were capable of.

BTW, it is perfectly legal to = get dual-instruction on a homebuilt, even with a temporary = COA.

Jeff =

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From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Monday, March 01, = 2010 11:23 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Another mini-milestone

 

Jeff,

What did you take your transition training in?  Did you fly dual at the beginning?  What about = your first flight? 

 

Bill = B

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Whaley
Sent: Monday, March 01, = 2010 10:38 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Another mini-milestone

Yesterday after 3.5 hours of tail-dragger transition training, I finally soloed in = my 13B-powered homebuilt; I was a bit nervous taxiing back to the threshold = but as  the wheels left the ground I knew it was going to be okay.  = My first landing was a bouncer but I kept it straight - followed up with a few = greasers and a couple more bouncers; it was a great day.  I was expecting a = big increase in climb rate without 200 lbs in the right seat but have to say = it was not significant; I guess the power loading and those big wings = aren’t affected as much as an under-powered short wing = Piper.

With 11 trouble-free hours and now solo, I’ll start building up more = time after a 2 week hiatus in Mexico.

Jeff

 


This message, and the documents attached = hereto, is intended only for the addressee and may contain privileged or = confidential information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you = have received this message in error, please notify us immediately so that we = may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message. = Thank you.


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