Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #5017
From: Russell Duffy <13brv3@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: aluminum hose bungs/fittings
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:12:03 -0600
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.  Hey Jim, that's one funny looking firewall :-)  BTW- the tubes on the cores that I got are about 9/16" diameter for the largest one, so I won't be using either of the factory tubes. 
 

Wrap the end of the core with a few layers of soaking wet towel while welding
on the fittings.

 
Thanks for all the construction tips Lynn, particularly this bit about the wet towels.  As I've thought of welding these things, I couldn't help but wonder how much of the factory core I would be un-welding in the process.  How exactly are these constructed?  I assume they're brazed, and something of a lower temp than welding?? 
 
The cores will have oil in them that circulates in the system to lubricate
the compressor. Let them drain for a few days and the rinse them out with ketone
or similar and then soap and water. Blow it out to get it as dry as possible
before welding. If you short cut this step, be aware that the jet of orange
oil vapor flame that shoots out of the proposed fitting holes is about a foot
long and will blow your welding helmet clean off of your head.
 
Another wise piece of advice.  I haven't looked for junk cores, but the problem I've found with the new ones is that none of them are made the same.  I had planned to do plenty of practice on similar thicknesses of aluminum, and then try the new core.  If I screw up enough of them, I'll surely be looking for some of those junk cores for more practice. 


These things work well for water or oil cooling. They are tough as nails.
(the GM stuff). If you have room, you can cut one side off of a bulkhead fitting
and use the hex as a welding flange. Better for oil cooling where the fittings
hose ends are going to be heavy anyway. For water service, the AN fittings
and hose ends will be too big (dash 16 or 20) and too heavy.
 
I thought about the cut off fitting, but aluminum AN bungs are pretty reasonably priced, so I'll probably just use those.  With everything in place this afternoon, it looks like I have room to use an AN-12 bung (remember, parallel cores) and 90 degree hose fitting, so I'm leaning strongly toward going that route.  As much as it pains me to buy all that AN hose, it's really the "right" thing to do.  I'm sure the silicone hose is perfectly fine, but the more I can conform to "aircraft quality", the less grief I'll get from all the people who look at it.  I think Tracy actually mentioned this as a significant downside to using auto hose.   

Mount the core in foam lined brackets. Don't let anything rub against them
(but a foam seal strip).

I have the cores attached to the redrive plate with aluminum angle on top, and bottom.  The idea was to weld the angle to the cores, then bolt it to the redrive plate.  I hadn't planned to put any sort of rubber dampening, since the cores are very solidly mounted (can't twist, or bend).  Should I put a 1/8" or so piece of rubber between the angle and mounts?  That just doesn't strike me as a good idea, but I'm open to suggestion. 
 
Also, when mounting the cores to the angle.  I planned to weld the angle to the cores on top and bottom, but for test fitting, I drilled and clecoed the angle to the end plates on the core.  With only 6 clecoes, this thing is VERY solid.  I'm now wondering if I couldn't just put about a dozen 1/8" pop rivets, rather than welding the angle.  I have to admit, that I'm thinking about easy of replacement if one ever gets damaged away from home.  Assuming I keep a spare core with two AN12 fittings welded to it, all I'd have to do to replace a core is drill out the rivets, then drill and pop rivet the new core.  This may sound paranoid, but I know that Ed and Finn have both replaced leaking cores.  I'm also thinking about lessoning the chance of damaging a core by overheating it with the torch.  
 
Thanks,
Rusty (sure would be easier if it was at home)   
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