Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2908814 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:13:54 -0500 Received: from o7y6b5 (clt78-020.carolina.rr.com [24.93.78.20]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBT4Doow014130 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:13:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004401c3cdc1$c618c480$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Evap cores Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:11:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3CD97.DCE5A860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3CD97.DCE5A860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Damit Tracy, don't get me started thinking about this :-) Has = anyone tried using one of these for oil yet? Certainly the pressure = should be OK. Arrrrrgh... Rusty (not flying again soon, but certainly before Tracy's RV-8 = )=20 I am using one for an oil cooler, mounted up in the nose cowl. I = have not yet flown, but cooled great on ground run ups. Never went over = 180 in the pan even when water temp went to 230. Lonnie Sorry to stir the pot Rusty! But, Glad to hear the evap core is = working well on the ground for oil cooling Lonnie. The main reason I = want to use one is for the more efficient use of the dynamic pressure = available at flight speeds. The stock coolers work well but I think = they require more CFM to do the job. Minimizing cooling drag (as many = of you are tired of hearing me preach : ) is largely a mater of = minimizing CFM used to do the job. =20 When I get the time, I want to correlate the excellent data that = Ed has been sharing with how I think cooling drag works. Some of it is = counterintuitive. For example, minimizing aircraft cooling drag can = often mean increasing the turbulence (drag) through the heat = exchanger. Tracy Crook I'll be interested to hear your theories, Tracy. For one thing it = appears that once you trip the boundary layer into turbulent flow, you = have encountered 75-80% of the drag you are going to encounter. Adding = more inches after that point does little to increase drag further. Drag = is proportional to frontal area as we all know, so that would also = support the thicker (rather than larger) is better for cooling (in our = application where we do have higher dynamic pressure to work for us). Also my calculations indicates that the evaporator core has much = less drag than one might think based on its thickness. Most heat = exchangers of the type used as radiators have a openness ratio of around = .70 - 75 while my measures and calculations shows the GM cores has an = openness ratio of around 0.81 further indicating less air resistance. If you think about it, it makes sense there would not be much = resistance to air flow in the core as it has a puny electric motor in = the car to force air through it, so it is undoubtedly designed not to = have much air resistance. =20 So I wanna' hear your story Ed Anderson ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C3CD97.DCE5A860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Damit Tracy, don't get me started thinking about this = :-)  Has=20 anyone tried using one of these for oil yet?  Certainly = the=20 pressure should be OK.  Arrrrrgh...
 
Rusty (not flying again soon, but certainly before = Tracy's=20 RV-8 <g>) 
 
 
I am using one for an oil cooler, mounted up in the nose = cowl. I=20 have not yet flown, but cooled great on ground run ups. Never went = over=20 180 in the pan even when water temp went to = 230.
Lonnie
 
 
Sorry to stir the pot Rusty!   But, Glad to = hear the evap=20 core is working well on the ground for oil cooling = Lonnie.   The=20 main reason I want to use one is for the more efficient use of=20 the dynamic pressure  available at flight speeds.  = The=20 stock coolers work well but I think they require more CFM to = do the=20 job.   Minimizing cooling drag  (as many of you are = tired=20 of hearing me preach : ) is largely a mater of minimizing CFM used = to do=20 the job.  
 
 When I get the time, I want to correlate the = excellent data=20 that Ed has been sharing with how I think cooling drag=20 works.   Some of it is = counterintuitive.   =20 For example,  minimizing aircraft cooling drag can often = mean increasing the turbulence  = (drag)  through the=20 heat exchanger.
 
Tracy Crook
 
I'll be=20 interested to hear your theories, Tracy.  For one thing it = appears=20 that once you trip the boundary layer into turbulent flow, you = have=20 encountered 75-80% of the drag you are going to encounter.  = Adding=20 more inches after that point does little to increase drag = further. =20 Drag is proportional to frontal area as we all know, so that would = also=20 support the thicker (rather than larger) is better for cooling (in = our=20 application where we do have higher dynamic pressure to work for=20 us).
 
  Also my=20 calculations indicates that the evaporator core has much less drag = than=20 one might think based on its thickness. Most heat exchangers of = the type=20 used as radiators have a openness ratio of around .70 - 75 while = my=20 measures and calculations shows the GM cores has an openness ratio = of=20 around 0.81 further indicating less air = resistance.
 
If you think=20 about it, it makes sense there would not be much resistance to air = flow in=20 the core as it has a puny electric motor in the car to force = air=20 through it, so it is undoubtedly designed not to have much air=20 resistance. 
So I wanna'=20 hear your story
 
Ed=20 = Anderson
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