Has anybody ever tried hooking up a leaf blower to the throttle body
inlet and see what that would do to the static rpm and manifold pressure at
WOT?
Bill B
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010
3:12 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Air Pump
I believe Al is right to be skeptical, but
I agree with Al and hope it works out.
Here is where I believe you may find a
problem. There are two sort of opposing/conflicting parameters in the
approach. The first is your pressure increase and the second is your
volume flow. Generally, it’s fairly easy to get either by
itself. The problem is getting both at the same time. For example
if you put the end of your leaf blower a box and turn it on there is no
question you are going to get a considerable increase in pressure in the box
– but the air flow rate is going to be low. Take the nozzle out of
the box and the pressure at the nozzle will drop dramatically but the flow rate
will increase greatly.
Most equations I have seen for calculating
the output of a centrifugal impeller assumes they are exhausting into a static
environment. In your case you are going to exhausting into a huge air
pump inlet. This air pump (engine) is going to be trying to
“suck’ the manifold void of air at the same time your impeller is
going to be trying pump sufficient air to not only meet its ambient pressure
air needs but actually provide it MORE than the engine can suck out - so that
the air density will actually increase in the manifold – a tough order of
business.
Air mass Flow = Volume of engine
displacement * RPM * manifold air density /1728 = V * rpm *p/1728
1728 is just a conversion factor so we can
ignore it for this discussion. But what this formula shows is that there
are only two variables in the equation - your rpm and your manifold density
(p). At a constant rpm (say 6000) then the only way to increase air mass
flow through the engine is to increase the air density in the intake manifold.
The way a turbo/super charger works, of
course, is not by increasing the air volume flow through the engine but by
increasing the air density. The 100,000 rpm impeller accelerates the air
velocity inside the compressor vanes and then using the old Diffuser principal,
slows this air down at the compressor exit and converts the increased dynamic
energy of the accelerated air stream into a static pressure increase reflecting
the increased air density produced.
So for our 13B at 6000 rpm it would
still be displacing the same 277 CFM through the engine itself - but the air
density per cubic foot would now be higher than ambient. So while the
volume flow is constant (at that rpm), the air mass flow is increased because
the density is increased. Yes, to increase this air density the air flow
into the inlet to the turbocharger does have to be greater than 277 CFM, but
it’s still 277 CFM (because air is compressible) through the engine
itself – just at a higher air density.
There have been many
“electric” turbo chargers for automobiles advertised on e bay and
else where advertising up to 2 psi for prices ranging from $69 to $600.
Tests that have been done with them show that with some of the
“best” ones, you can get around 2” psi with the flow nearly
blocked off or you can get several hundred CFM air flow with no obstruction,
but not both at the same time. I think this is the essence of the
challenge faced.
If you think about it - you are trying to
design a blower that is competing with “suction” power of your
engine. There you have a 1300 CC engine that is pumping
(“sucking”) like crazy at 6000 rpm drying to pump the manifold
volume void of air. The atmosphere is trying to push air into the
manifold at 14.7 psi at a flow rate at this rpm of around 277 CFM. To get
any assist from a blower, it has to be able to not only provide for a flow rate
the atmosphere pressure is pushing through it but then enhance that flow rate
even further so that the air density in the intake manifold starts to go above
ambient air density.
Now if you can get a 2 psi increase in the
manifold with the engine running – then indeed you will get a very useful
power increase. If the equations say the 11” flywheel blower will
give you 2lbs of pressure - do they also indicate what volumetric flow you will
get at that pressure. If they say you will get 2 psi at a flow rate of
approx 300 - 500 CFM then you will definitely have something.
I’m a rooting for you Earnest,
but please expedite the rate of progress else I’m going to be gone before
we get the answer {:>)
Ed