Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #49964
From: Tracy Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>
Sender: <rwstracy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:51:12 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I won a pretty good bet on that logic once.   The flaw is that an airfoil (a prop is an airfoil) generates lift (or thrust in this case) at zero angle of attack due to mr Bernoulli's stuff.  Trying to calculate airspeed based on those pitch numbers is a waste of time if all you have is that numerical pitch number which is usually based on the angle at the flat side of the airfoil.   But then again, no 2 prop makers define it the same way.

Tracy

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com> wrote:

Hey Tracy, you’re doing better than theoretical …

6300 engine rpm / 2.17 = 2903.225 prop rpm

2903.225 prop rpm x 60 = 174193.548 prop rph (revs per hour)

174193.548 rph x 71 inch pitch = 12367741.935 inches of forward travel per hour

12367741.935” / 12 = 1030645.131 feet per hour

1030645.161 fph / 5280 = 195.2 mph

Your 209 mph appears to be better than best theoretical  …

209 / 195.2 = 1.07;

1.07 x 2903.225 = 3108 prop rpm  / or 1.07 x 71 = 75.97 inch pitch … the following table from Warp Drive gives same numbers.

210 mph at 2900 rpm requires 76” pitch; or conversely 210 mph at 71” pitch requires 3100 rpm.

Jeff

 

 

Prop RPM

Cruise Air Speed

2600

2700

2800

2900

3000

3100

3200

3300

3400

3500

3600

3700

3800

3900

4000

4100

4200

220

89

86

83

80

77

75

73

70

68

66

65

63

61

60

58

56

55

210

85

82

79

76

74

71

69

67

65

63

62

60

58

57

55

54

53

200

81

78

75

72

70

68

66

65

62

61

59

57

56

54

53

51

50

190

77

74

72

69

67

65

63

61

59

57

56

54

53

51

50

49

48

180

73

70

68

66

63

61

59

58

56

54

53

52

50

49

48

46

45

 

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Crook
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:35 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo

 

Sun 100 flown at 500 ft.
Top speed on a normally aspirated aircraft is always best at sealevel.   Best fuel economy is reached up high.

Tracy

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Mike Wills <rv-4mike@cox.net> wrote:

When you guys put out these numbers (RPM, speed, etc...) would also be helpful to know at what altitude. I assume at or close to sea level? I havent yet made any speed runs at low altitude.

 

Mike

 

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:27 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: rpm vs Power was : Throttle limits was Re: N.A. Renesis to turbo

 

Tracy, if you have the data could you give us the  RPMs you saw at the 205 and 217.5 air speeds?

Dennis H.
Renesis RV-7A
Austin, Tx.

That was 209 and 217.5   

the 209 mph speed was with the 2.176 drive turning a 68 - 71 prop with engine turning 6300 , mixture leaned to 17 gph.  On other occasions I could push it to 6400 at best power mixture burning 20 gph.

The 217.5 mph was with a 2.85 drive turning a 74 - 88 prop with engine turning 7250.  I didn't get a good read on the fuel flow but obviously it would have been higher.  I remember requesting priority landing after the race due to low fuel.  

Neither run was done at best power mixture but leaned a few gph less than max.

Tracy

 


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