Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #49918
From: MONTY ROBERTS <montyr2157@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: CAD program
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:07:34 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
You can probably get by with the hobby version of Alibre. I think it is around $250. I can't remember what all the restrictions are.
 
I think you can make Alibre work if all you do is flat wrap developable surfaces. If you are going to do sheet metal it will probably get you where you want to go.
 
Alibre's big handicap is that it will not do conic sections. Conics are THE foundation of all aircraft and boat lofting. Everything is also sketch based. I don't really like sketches. I blame Pro E for everybody going to sketches. Even the once great Unigraphics has succumbed to the dark side. A pox upon the geek who invented sketching! Constraint based sketching is really good for mechanical parts and mechanisms. Or something where you have a family of parts that may need changing. It is too limiting for free form parts. I will at least give Alibre credit for not requiring all sketches to be fully constrained. That can drive you crazy. Of course not having them fully constrained means you occasionally have one blow up. You'll see what I mean.
 
Get the demo version and play around with it. I  think you can do the same with Rhino. Try before you buy.
 
I think you can get the student version of Rhino for $200. That is a fantastic deal. Even $900 is not bad. Trust me, it will save you that much in headaches if you are designing an airplane. Especially if it is sheet metal. You can unwrap all your surfaces and plot out flat patterns. Or better yet send a .dxf file to the waterjet guy to cut your skins out with the holes all pre punched just like one of van's airplanes. You can have somebody with a CNC router make up all your form blocks for the ribs and bulkheads too. If your cad file is perfect, the parts will be. They will go together just like a quick build kit. How much is that worth to you? After that you can make as many as you want, over and over and over. I look at it and say you can't afford not to have a cad program.
 
Classroom vs tutorials is a personal thing. I've always been good at the tutorials. But I've been doing cad for so long that I can pick up just about any program and be doing work in an hour. If you don't have the basics a class is a good Idea. You aren't going to get conic lofting skills from a basic tech school though. You could go to one of the seminars that Rhino puts on from time to time after you have the basics down. In the end the only real way to learn is by doing. In the beginning there is going to be a lot of pounding your head against the monitor. That's just the way it is. When you get to the point you know it is the software's fault not yours, you will have arrived. Some folks have a natural ability for this and others don't. You will know within a couple weeks which camp you are in, especially if you take a class. You may hate working in cad, some people do. You may also find it addictive. Just a warning.
 
I could show you most of what you need to know in an afternoon if you had the basics down.
 
You could use the Bruce King method for a one off. Google BK flyer. He uses cad to lay out the bulkheads, but then makes poster board patterns for the skins. You just have to decide which way you prefer to work.
 
One word of advice in Rhino.....Planar.
 
Monty  
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Wills
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: CAD program

Thanks Monty. Alibre was the tool I was thinking of. Never seen Rhino but I will take a look. Building an airplane is sort of an excuse to learn the tool. I suspect that I could design/build what I want without it. But it might help me visualize the end result before I go to far down the wrong path. Clearly I'm not going to invest huge $ in a cad package to build a one off.
 
Mike

 
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