X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.152] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c1) with ESMTP id 3950272 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:59:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.14.220.152; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so19434fga.7 for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:58:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KIIXQFNPSW6Nv3Flrqbt1G+9NtrBIx5G8U9yHQNBCq0=; b=TVIDIOXjQqz4tjv4Au0PVPk39atyCP67gd1TsDCeXAF/5t8jBoj27Oc0NzDWBSIjZP hdmI6YdRG9rlKWhrPN7pBeAyoLNBW8S+DzPsP3he7c1EXn++N5KWQYL7ZBDpsPD9h7Wx 1jhBqyk4WpKxL4EnOc3tfGvWTTvpq1kvEh614= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qehx2WLF/2t319JygsAmKXo4jIGj44Gn+5H0+Uk3zJ6muC4lqk7ilZ9qXqEvtgK94f pywgWYRn6Ewcq8U5yhkOevAaWsWPEPEVDfNuSC/XZqvR8yZsM8Kp5FoQc9fcEPCUODvA OVoawBYgnGQInU95pDlcqCFV8SvPq9Z8q+8Mo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.207 with SMTP id a15mr3993086bkc.8.1257472711287; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:58:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:58:31 -0600 Message-ID: <5cf132c0911051758lafca420l77d88f12911d735c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PRIVATE - TES O-Ring Dimensions From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0003255579564563e00477aa2e98 --0003255579564563e00477aa2e98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George, My research and measurments confirm these dimensions. Thanks for the info. Mark On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, George Lendich wrote= : > > > Mark, > Kelly Troyer, sent some end housings to Jeff Chrysler of Creavey, to make > absolutely sure of sizing. Jeff promised me that he would hold a record o= f > the proper size for all Mazda Rotary requests. > > The sizes ID by Jeff where as you have stated.for the oil seals - and > Coolant seals are > PFA-Sil 0.093 section 11.190 inch ID > PFA-Sil 0.093 section 8.950 inch ID > HTH > George (down under) > > > Paul, > > I'm sending this to you "private" so as not to confuse everyone with a > bunch of dimensions that may, or may not, turn out to be correct. I spok= e > with Jeff today thinking that he would be able to verify the correct size= s > and he doesn't have those dimensions. > > Looking through my archives, I found an old email stating that I initiall= y > used the 11.340" dimension, but it turned out to be too large and I had t= o > send it back to have it re-sized to 11.230" which worked perfectly (didn'= t > require stretching) and laid in the groove very nicely. > > > > I found my receipt from Creavy Seal Co. Unfortunately, it is only for on= e > coolant seal, and both oil seals. > > > > As for the outer coolant seal=85 Originally I ordered a set of SIL .093 = =96 > 11.340 ID o-rings. These proved to be too big and I had to send them bac= k. > Note that 11.340 minus .090 is 11.230=85 the correct size. I had given t= hem a > size based on CL, not ID. So, be sure you=92re on the same page when ord= ering > these things. After a few emails to Jeff Chrysler, we got it right on th= e > re-order with these numbers=85 *SIL .093 =96 11.230*. These fit perfectly= . I > can find no records for what I ordered on the inner coolant seals. Here = is > an email I sent to Jeff Chrysler at Creavy Seal after fit-checking the ne= w > outer coolant o-rings. > > > > Attn: Jeff Chrysler > > > > Hi Jeff, > > The reworked TES o-rings fit perfect. Final dimension for the outer > coolant o-rings is .093 x 11.230" ID. Thank you so much for all your hel= p. > I can start putting my engine back together now. I have passed this > information along to Paul Lamar as well. This size should work for all 1= 3B > and 20B engines, but you may want to verify size before using it for the = new > Renesis engines. > > > > Thanks again for your assistance, > > Mark Steitle > > > > The information for the two oil seals are SIL .093 =96 4.680 ID, and SIL = .118 > =96 4.330 ID. > > > > Using your example of how to measure and calculate the coolant o-ring > dimensions, I ran the numbers and came up with 11.182" for the outer cool= ant > o-ring. Based on this info, I order based on the 11.230" dimension for t= he > outer o-ring. I'll let you know how it works out. > > All of the other dims agree with my numbers. > > Thanks, > Mark > > --0003255579564563e00477aa2e98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
George,
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My research and measurments confirm these dimensions.=A0 Thanks for th= e info.
=A0
Mark=A0

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, George Lendich <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lendich@aanet.= com.au> wrote:
=A0
=A0Mark,
Kelly Troyer, sent some end housings to Jef= f Chrysler of Creavey, to make absolutely sure of sizing. Jeff promised me = that he would hold a record of the proper size for all Mazda Rotary request= s.
=A0
The sizes ID by Jeff where as you have stat= ed.for the oil seals -=A0and=A0 Coolant seals are
PFA-Sil=A0=A0 0.093 section 11.190=A0 inch = ID
PFA-Sil=A0=A0 0.093 section=A0=A0 8.950 inc= h ID
HTH
George (down under)
=A0
=A0
Paul,
=A0
I'm sending this to you "private" so as not to confuse e= veryone with a bunch of dimensions that may, or may not, turn out to be cor= rect.=A0 I spoke with Jeff today thinking that he would be able to verify t= he correct sizes and he doesn't have those dimensions.
=A0
Looking through my archives, I found an old email stating that I initi= ally used the 11.340" dimension, but it turned out to be too large and= I=A0had to send it back to have it re-sized to 11.230" which worked p= erfectly (didn't require stretching) and=A0laid in the groove very nice= ly.
=A0
<snip>

I found my receipt from Creavy Seal Co.=A0 Unfortuna= tely, it is only for one coolant seal, and both oil seals.=A0

=A0

As for the outer coolant seal=85 Originally I ordere= d a set of SIL .093 =96 11.340 ID o-rings.=A0 These proved to be too big an= d I had to send them back.=A0 Note that 11.340 minus .090 is 11.230=85 the = correct size.=A0 I had given them a size based on CL, not ID.=A0 So, be sur= e you=92re on the same page when ordering these things.=A0 After a few emai= ls to Jeff Chrysler, we got it right on the re-order with these numbers=85 = SIL .093 =96 11.230. These fit perfectly.=A0 I can find no records f= or what I ordered on the inner coolant seals.=A0 Here is an email I sent to= Jeff Chrysler at Creavy Seal after fit-checking the new outer coolant o-ri= ngs.

=A0

Attn:=A0 Jeff Chrysler

=A0

Hi Jeff,

The reworked TES o-rings fit perfect.= =A0 Final dimension for the outer coolant o-rings is .093 x 11.230" ID= .=A0 Thank you so much for all your help.=A0 I can start putting my engine = back together now.=A0 I have passed this information along to Paul Lamar as= well.=A0 This size should work for all 13B and 20B engines, but you may wa= nt to verify size before using it for the new Renesis engines.=A0

=A0

Thanks again for your assistance,

Mark Steitle

=A0

The information for the two oil seals are SIL .093 = =96 4.680 ID, and SIL .118 =96 4.330 ID.

<snip>

=A0
Using your example of how to measure and calculate=A0the coolant o-rin= g dimensions, I ran the numbers and came up with 11.182" for the outer= coolant o-ring.=A0 Based on this info, I order based on the 11.230" d= imension for the outer o-ring.=A0 I'll let you know how it works out.
=A0
All of the other dims agree with my numbers.
=A0
Thanks,
Mark=A0=A0=A0
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