X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.241.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3895432 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:56:31 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.41; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091022155558.VCXV21106.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:55:58 -0400 Received: from wills ([68.105.90.69]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id vrvu1c00K1VmpBY04rvx9a; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:55:57 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5j5aDtVyF2MA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=N8B9JuSIAAAA:8 a=eJ-dKTJRD3HzBoA3CekA:9 a=kDRhr70gLt_sh6PLRKIA:7 a=bLY9Nm96GPcSEjeV7VKHDA5Kb1YA:4 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=eLzWKkqpfRFp3GIqoLIA:9 a=Trz3WwEeaUTdmB2YoKcA:7 a=pB71eGugeEUXWL6mzom0_nDVy9wA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: off subject - RV spin characteristics Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:55:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA52F5.772BE130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA52F5.772BE130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, I dont have an over the top fear of spins. I've done a lot of them, = mostly in gliders. Including an unplanned one at 400 AGL in an = unfamiliar glider that turned out to be tail heavy. If you add a glider = rating at most schools spin training is required prior to first solo. Having said that, Van's prohibition against spins, along with your = description of spin recovery in your airplane, would make me a little = uncomfortable about spinning mine. Maybe I misread your description but = it sounded like the recovery technique was not particularly = straightforward nor very forgiving of error. Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:02 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: off subject - RV spin characteristics On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Mike Wills wrote: Sorry I don't have any video. Anyone want to come along and hold = the camera? Ummm..... No thanks! And I thought I was living on the edge as a = current sailplane pilot/ex-hang glider pilot... Mike You guys, its just a spin. Lots of people do them. Lots of people do = them in RV's. The RV is fully capable. I have never heard of an RV that = got into an unrecoverable spin. Its a cool thing that airplanes do. I = worked up to it 1/2 rotation at a time. I had spin training in the Navy = and go into spin flights mentally ready. Many airplanes that spin = recover by just letting go of the controls. The RV, along with a lot of = other planes, takes some positive inputs to recover from a fully = developed spin. No big, you just have to remain calm and go through the = procedures. Yep, Van doesn't recommend doing more than 2 turns if at all. He also = doesn't recommend installing anything other than a lycoming. He also = doesn't recommend making any changes to the plans. =20 One really cool modification to the plans that I made other than the = rotary engine) was to move the flap motor out of the middle and over to = the side. This simple mod allows me to carry 2 snow boards down the = middle (along with a pax), or I can carry a full size mountain bike. = I'm flying up to Chico this weekend to go riding at my buddies cabin. = You can't beat that... it is what it is all about. --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01CA52F5.772BE130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,
 
 I dont have an over the top fear = of spins.=20 I've done a lot of them, mostly in gliders. Including an = unplanned one at=20 400 AGL in an unfamiliar glider that turned out to be tail = heavy. If you=20 add a glider rating at most schools spin training is required prior to = first=20 solo.
 
 Having said that, Van's = prohibition against=20 spins, along with your description of spin recovery in your airplane, = would make=20 me a little uncomfortable about spinning mine. Maybe I misread your = description=20 but it sounded like the recovery technique was not particularly = straightforward=20 nor very forgiving of error.
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, = 2009 10:02=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: off = subject - RV=20 spin characteristics



On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Mike Wills = <rv-4mike@cox.net>=20 wrote:
 
Sorry I don't have any video.  Anyone want to come along = and=20 hold the camera?

Ummm..... No thanks! And I = thought I was=20 living on the edge as a current sailplane pilot/ex-hang glider=20 pilot...
 
Mike
You guys, its just a spin.  Lots of people do them.  = Lots of=20 people do them in RV's.  The RV is fully capable. I have never = heard of=20 an RV that got into an unrecoverable spin.  Its a cool thing that = airplanes do.  I worked up to it 1/2 rotation at a time.  I = had spin=20 training in the Navy and go into spin flights mentally = ready.  Many=20 airplanes that spin recover by just letting go of the controls.  = The RV,=20 along with a lot of other planes, takes some positive inputs to = recover from a=20 fully developed spin.  No big, you just have to remain calm and = go=20 through the procedures.
 
Yep, Van doesn't recommend doing more than 2 turns if at = all.  He=20 also doesn't recommend installing anything other than a = lycoming.  He=20 also doesn't recommend making any changes to the plans. 
 
One really cool modification to the plans that I made other = than the=20 rotary engine) was to move the flap motor out of the middle and = over to=20 the side.  This simple mod allows me to carry 2 snow boards down = the=20 middle (along with a pax), or I can carry a full size mountain = bike.  I'm=20 flying up to Chico this weekend to go riding at my buddies = cabin.  You=20 can't beat that... it is what it is all about.
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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net
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