X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from securemail.ever-tek.com ([64.129.170.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3887480 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:28:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.129.170.194; envelope-from=cbarber@bellairepolice.com Return-Path: cbarber@bellairepolice.com Received: from fcd-mail05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([172.16.5.24]) by FCD-MAIL03.FCDATA.PRIVATE with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:28:00 -0500 Received: from fcd-mail05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([4.4.5.9]) byfcd-mail05.FCDATA.PRIVATE ([4.4.5.9]) with mapi; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:27:59-0500 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:24:33 -0500 From: Chris Barber Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: off subject - dyson fan defies physics To: Rotary motors in aircraft Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: off subject - dyson fan defies physics Thread-Index: AcpN/r2A9Viv0TqQT7CNqdprEqZEtwAAKVpA References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2009 01:28:00.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[E60532A0:01CA4DFF] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D0F749463E0EF646B3946A4248B3C86A020D4135F5fcdmail05FCDA_" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_000_D0F749463E0EF646B3946A4248B3C86A020D4135F5fcdmail05FCDA_ Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I come to the conversation late, but is it designed by the same guy who c= ame up with the Dyson Sphere? As in, a habitable environment surrounding= a chosen star....just hope, that unlike the Star Trek episode, the sun d= oes not go nova (or whatever space calamity they came up with) Just a thought of interesting ideas. All the best, Chris Cpl Christopher Barber, JD. Badge 330 Bellaire Police Department 5100 Jessamine Bellaire, Texas 77401 713-668-0487 CBarber@BellariePolice.com ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf O= f Al Gietzen [ALVentures@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:19 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: off subject - dyson fan defies physics So-o-o; You use your engine to drive a large squirrel cage blower (centri= fugal fan); which is more efficient than an axial flow fan (propeller); a= nd then you feed that to a large Dyson ring; which then provides 15 times= the thrust you could get from your prop. Why, this could make the turbo= fan jet obsolete:). Al -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On B= ehalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:15 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: off subject - dyson fan defies physics Well, I must confess to being skeptical about such claims and when there = appears to be a clear attempt to mislead, it heightens my doubts even mor= e. Here is what I found, first, it DOES have a motor and Fan Blade =96 so wh= y the claim it is =93bladeless=94 . They appear to channel air up to the= ring and with air flowing from the slits (air motion caused by the fan b= lades in the base of the unit) causes external air to be channeled along = with the fan induced flow. A Bunsen burner does the same thing in princi= ple the hot exhausting air pulls in fresh air at the base. Now the real = question is how this fan induced flow is capable of inducting a 15 time = greater flow of air. The principal would appear to be the same as exhaus= t augmentation with a lot less energy. So don=92t see any deifying of th= e laws of physics so far. But, if it works for the dyson fan, then why not get 15 times {:>) your= current cooling air flow sitting on the ground with your engine running?= : Warning: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e= -mails attached to it, may contain confidential information that is legal= ly privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the person respon= sible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notifie= d that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the informa= tion contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED= =2E If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately n= otify us by telephone at 713-662-8132 and destroy the original transmissi= on and its attachments without reading them. Thank you. --_000_D0F749463E0EF646B3946A4248B3C86A020D4135F5fcdmail05FCDA_ Content-Type: text/html;charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I come to the conversation= late, but is it designed by the same guy who came up with the Dyson Sphe= re?  As in, a habitable environment surrounding a chosen star....just hope, that unlike the Star Trek episode, the sun d= oes not go nova (or whatever space calamity they came up with)

 

Just a thought of interesting ideas.

 

All the best,

 

Chris

 
 
Cpl Christopher Barber, = JD.
Badge 330
Bellaire Police Departme= nt
5100 Jessamine
Bellaire, Texas 77401
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [= flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietzen [ALVentures@cox.net]=
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:19 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: off subject - dyson fan defies physics

<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">So-o-o;= You use your engine to drive a large squirrel cage blower (centrifugal f= an); which is more efficient than an axial flow fan (propeller); and then you feed that to a large Dyson ring; which the= n provides 15 times the thrust you could get from your prop.  Why, t= his could make the turbofan jet obsoleteJ.

<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">=  

<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Al

<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">=  

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From: Rotary motors in ai= rcraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson<= br> Sent: Thursday, October 1= 5, 2009 2:15 PM
To: Rotary motors in airc= raft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = off subject - dyson fan defies physics

 =

Well, I must confess to being skeptical about such clai= ms and when there appears to be a clear attempt to mislead, it heightens my doubts even more.

 

Here is what I found, first, it DOES have a motor and F= an Blade =96 so why the claim it is =93bladeless=94 .  They appear to channel air up to the ring and with air flowing from the slits= (air motion caused by the fan blades in the base of the unit) causes ext= ernal air to be channeled along with the fan induced flow.  A Bunsen= burner does the same thing in principle the hot exhausting air pulls in fresh air at the base.  Now the real qu= estion is how this fan induced flow  is capable of inducting a 15 ti= me greater flow of air.  The principal would appear to be the same a= s exhaust augmentation with a lot less energy.  So don=92t see any deifying of the laws of physics so far.

 

 But,  if it works for the dyson fan, then wh= y not get 15 times {:>) your current cooling air flow sitting on the ground with your engine running?:

 

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