Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #48694
From: George Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: intake manifold 13b 86
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:50:21 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
 Chris,
I'm sure your right, just looking for a general indication of the secondaries coming in to play.
 
My reason is that I was looking at a CAD drawing I did of the engine and noticed that the primaries are placed lower than the secondaries and thought they may have come in earlier. However they come in a few degree after the secondaries and close a few degrees before the secondaries.
 
My thinking is, a later opening coupled with higher velocity counters the ( any ) back 'exhaust' pressure and minimizes any contamination of the incoming charge, maximizing VE at low RPM/ Idle.
 
A later closing counter any possible back 'compression' pressure.
 
All things being equal, the higher RPM minimizes both these situations. At higher RPM the exhaust velocity is higher and tends to be self evacuating, reducing any exhaust back pressure and might even create some vacuum, sucking some incoming charge into the exhaust. The larger secondary inlet and will have a higher velocity (now) helping overcome and compression back pressure.
 
I just feel ( for my own benefit) it's interesting to know when all this is going on - at approximately what RPM.
 
I believe Tracy holds back the inlet charge timing to accommodate these changes and has the fuel injection at the optimum time - even at higher RPM I don't think he injects until the exhaust is closed. This is ideal for the larger lower velocity PP but I don't think it can be done with a carbie.
 
I mention these things for the chap wondering about the primary inlet ports.  
George ( down under)
 
George,
 
I do not believe stagging is based on RPM but instead Manifold Pressure (MP).  By default, IIRC, Tracy has it at 15.5.  Should that conflict to a cruise or often used setting, such as on final, it is pretty easily changed by selecting....I think, Mode 7, increasing the throttle to the desired MP and then pressing the Program button when at the desired MP/RPM.  That will set it to that chosen MP/RPM.  FWIW.
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston
 
 
Cpl Christopher Barber, JD.
Badge 330
Bellaire Police Department
5100 Jessamine
Bellaire, Texas 77401
 
713-668-0487

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of George Lendich [lendich@aanet.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:48 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: intake manifold 13b 86

Lynn,
About what RPM does the secondaries come in, if I go by memory, which isn't always the best thing for mew to do, It's about 3500 rpm - does that sound right?
George (down under)
That would be like disabling one of the intake valves in a 4 valve per cylinder piston engine. Yes it will still run but the power would be down somewhat.  Just not a good idea.
 
Tracy

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:24 PM, jrhopkins <jrhopkins@windstream.net> wrote:
has anyone used blocked off the center two apertures and used the front and rear intake manifolds only?  i do not understand the need for the center split intake for aircraft use.  
 
thanks   Richard
 
 
The center ports are smaller (the primary ports in the center iron) are part of a system designed to use a carburetter. That means that high velocity was needed to keep the energy high and the fuel air mixture from forming droplets and adding to HC. 
 
So the smaller barrels of the 4 barrel carb open first to operate the engine on the high velocity runners to those ports. Most of the time  the engine ran only on those ports. So the effect is that the carb looks small and the fuel mileage is fair, and HC (unburned Hydrocarbons) are within requirements. 
 
The key is velocity. The smaller the tube per cubic foot of mixture per second, the higher the velocity. So the center ports and runners are small. Since only about 20 HP is needed to go 60 MPH, most of the engines life is run out on the small ports. 
 
When more power is demanded, low manifold pressure opens the secondaries in the carb via a vacuum diaphragm and the big ports in the front and rear irons are called into use. The fuel economy idea is out the window and in a properly tuned car the engine RPM will be high enough to provide fair velocity in the big runners and ports. So the engine will accelerate to the best power RPM (red line) to deliver the engines rated HP.  
 
In the fuel injected engine this feature is still in use so you see the throttle bodies  multiple inlets.
Same idea.
 
In aircraft use, there is little use for 20 HP beyond a slow taxi. Take off power would be everything you can come up with HP wise. So all 4 ports and runners are needed. Once in flight, close to 50 HP would be needed just to maintain level slow flight, so there is just no application where the plane would fly on just the center ports. As the plane climbs the available HP goes down based on air density changes,
so in most cases, the throttle is left at wide open or very close to that. Further power reduction is by leaning to maintain the ideal fuel air mixture, or even leaning further to well over lean, or Lean Of Peak.
That is Lean Of Peak EGT (the rotary does that very well), So power goes down as well as fuel consumption and EGT. The throttle will be left wide open.
 
Closing off the center ports would be the same as not opening the throttle by some amount.
 
If you want to build in more power, the 84-85 12A has the biggest runners and ports in the center iron.
 
Lynn E. Hanover


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